MPO Policy Board Meeting   6/25/2025

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Can you hear the song right?

Thank you.

And the fact that you're very welcome.

A little bit awkward.

Well, I didn't find the time to use an existing solely.

Chuck, can you hear us so long?

Thanks.

Thank you.

I don't know if it's

We just got back from March 21st.

Good afternoon, everyone.

And the first item is Gorjan is going to help us with the call or for the attendance if you'll call.

Councilor Oschrin?

Here.

The alternate non-voting members, Wood Hudson?

Here.

Mike Murphy?

Present.

Sarah Midlick?

Here.

Christine Jacobs.

Thank you for those who are sitting behind, but will be calling on us.

Studies, not projects.

And you have three minutes once you state your name for the record.

is still only half as long as it needs to be thankful.

Seeing none, is there a motion to approve the April 23.5 minutes?

Second.

And the first is the travel demand management study, and Ms. Jenkins will be leading us through this.

Good afternoon, everyone.

This study specifically used replica data, which includes a land use component integrated into it to identify travel patterns within the NPO area and between study sub-areas.

Taylor, quick question.

Yes, you mentioned the width of the line means the greater number of trips.

Is that any type of trip or?

Are we on the right track and help us inform sort of what the next draft just look like to bring to you all at your next meeting to start the work?

I think, I know the city is working on getting the bike counters, which I imagine will be useful data for this kind of setting.

Do we know right now?

We're working through how many we're buying right now and what locations we want to look out for that, but it's starting to be very different.

It'll be available in time.

We also have some temporary ones, so if there are some specific locations

sort of like starting your research for the black slave instead of saying I'm going to find the answer to this.

So that should be available for us.

The timeline of this relative to the data collection, like when is that occurring over?

But ideally, this would be done within fiscal year 26.

Is that the- As S4A?

That'll be within the three-year grant, assuming it's awarded

Or is that too far out?

I think we might be able to utilize whatever we collect here to share with them for their vulnerable road user work.

right they get here they can maybe go somewhere then use an alternative method um i'm just wondering does this get at that conflict of what exists between we have our uh steal chris fairchild's phrase we've got our from here's and our live here's i guess i would change it to to those who the work here's and then the folks that are uh that have to commute here from afar and how do they deal with that vehicle conflict for you know you can make the city as much of a

So we do have some of that infrastructure built in here as well.

Yeah that's a good thought, thank you.

That's just one small example of the way people for decades have had to navigate that, how to get from Boesville down to the urban right where you could get onto something else.

So if you are using alternate transportation, maybe not like offering free services, but what is the availability of on-demand transit for emergency situations?

Any other comments or questions?

In other words, use those to better understand what was observed in those communities and then refine.

And to really help guide the methodology to understand, like, how are people performing this type of study so that we could seek to replicate that or look at their data sources and what type of conclusions they drew from that source to influence what their views might be.

Can you talk just a little bit more about Streetlight?

Thanks.

that we just have not used previously.

Is there a cost associated?

So this was built into the MPO's work plan, and we allocated, I believe, just under $58,000 out of the work plan, the budget, for next fiscal year to do it.

That would make sense.

Is there any feedback that we haven't provided that you need us to provide?

So we look forward to that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Thank you, Garland.

Okay, so next I'd like to talk about, were there any questions?

To generate your electricity.

It was not due until the 13th.

That was one of the factors, and in that way we can still proceed without having to come back and that's what I urge all of you to do.

If we ask for too much, if we ask for too little, or why didn't we ask for more money to really cover this project?

We believe 39 million should cover all the expenses to get rid of the project.

There's not like a local match request or,

The other one is,

Okay.

So if we're asking for the total project is $39,900, in the assumption when they give us the award, it will basically say what our agreement has to be.

Okay, so that's kind of what we were going to talk about.

It's complete with a thumbs up.

What does that mean?

Say again.

What does that mean?

That's the bottom line.

Yeah.

And we just know.

Questions?

is more attractive to them, or is it routes that they're looking at?

This is FTA Marshall routes.

Thank you.

We just have to make the argument as best we can so we can win this thing.

And if you can use all the pieces of money, that's all back there.

So did the study and facilities and all that theorize that going away and then how that current diesel maintenance stuff gets reused?

So we're really cutting the floor today.

They both vary, so you need that much more space, and it just makes it complicated.

That's true.

When they expand the mandate, we've gotten about that transition, it goes beyond that.

And the diesel buses have a 12-year, 500,000-month cycle supposedly.

Thank you, everyone.

Questions or no?

Bill this out, you said we would have space for at least 60 buses, or how much is our potential capacity for a new bus space if we're not able to get the Delaney property?

And as we go through the vision plan, the number eight is higher than the six feet of the applied process

That's parking lot?

And this is where the old maintenance.

Yeah.

It's probably 25, 30 spots is what it looks like.

We may need to have conversations about taking a portion of that as satellite parking for the CAT.

Which brings it all, of course, back to housing and where people are coming from.

Okay, thank you.

Yes.

And it does say that they're prioritizing low emissions projects, but y'all considered that when choosing like the electric and the fuel cell buses.

You saw the, could you read the sentence out loud about families?

It's almost, where is that one?

It's

I just saw that within the low-no program, FTA intends to prioritize low-emission projects over zero-emission projects to the maximum extent, and then the battery and the fuel cell are listed as zero-emission.

And that is why- Are they having children?

Things like that.

We just have to make sure that our product answers the question.

I mean, it's like we in FY24, Fairfax got $50 million.

So I think that gives them an opportunity for really cutting to where they're similar.

We're going to have a need, but it's almost complete.

Is that included in the scope, or is that something that would be nice to have, if possible?

I'm pretty sure they'll be able to do that and be able to put solar panels on the facility.

So we couldn't add that to the scope.

So if it's earmarked for construction of the project, we can.

Under construction of the project as proposed.

Measure grant agreement as the award dictates.

I wish they did give us that kind of flexibility, but they do not.

Yeah.

So what we're asking that is that you have a resolution that you have to consider that allow us, that right now that you're aware that that's going to go out, but it's no vote right now.

So the motion would be to move approval for supporting the fiscal year 2025 low or coalition grant application for Charlottesville area transit facility expansion project.

So moved.

Good luck.

Well, maybe it starts on the middle, do we bring it back to you?

You're going to have a game as far as defending the devil in there right in the next 10 years.

Thank you.

Any questions?

Anything you want to add?

There are other places that are submitting regional applications that are including systemic improvements across multiple jurisdictions and are submitting on behalf of their region.

It was in their packet a couple of weeks ago that they were submitting a significant grant on behalf of all their jurisdictions for about eight different projects across the region.

Not that we can do anything about it, but.

Thank you.

So City, County and four surrounding rural jurisdictions all have approved the final plan for submission back to FHWA.

I think one of the things, and I'm happy to do some more research into this, I think one of the things that in one of the webinars that we watched is the PDC can't apply on behalf of Albemarle.

I don't know if you know them, but I don't off the top.

That's what we have to go look at.

That's exactly right.

I can speak to that one.

Or how would you like to approach it?

Would you like, I'd invite you to make any additional comments.

I'm just trying to understand what the policy board wants from the Citizens Committee and how we can best serve this board.

Whether it's preparing information or being able to speak to it, what is our next meeting August?

Yes.

That's on this agenda too, to talk about your 26th meeting date.

I mean, of course the vice chair could be involved as well, but we can, I mean.

We had talked about this, but I've heard the same thing from at least one of our city reps that they wonder what's up.

Those expectations and get you all what you need from this group if in fact there is something you need from this group that you're not getting from the general public.

Are you there, Chuck?

I remember you saying that.

So I think the sky's the limit as far as the time goes.

Perhaps you, if you're interested and have the time, working with the chair of the citizens committee to look at their recommendations and maybe workshop some of that before it comes back to this body.

So then we'll be planning on trying to start to coordinate that around.

I can support that.

So I mean, you might want to include the vice chair of CTAC.

Cool.

So we'd also like to look at the staggering of those meetings to make sure that there is ample opportunity for that committee to weigh in either before or after the technical committee before it comes to you all.

I mean, you'd have to hand it off to proper, you know, be somebody else more official in the hierarchy to see if it wouldn't do me any good to see it, that's for sure.

That doesn't seem like the correct process.

consideration.

I think that is entirely up to how you all direct us when we go through this process.

Thank you.

And Dorian, we'll go over this.

And I just want to mention that this request has to be completed by July 1st of this year.

So the motion would be moved to approve amendment number 12 to the Charlottesville MPO fiscal year 24-27 transportation and improvement program.

Second.

Yes.

The first time in the UPWP.

Then see the fiscal year 26 calendar of meetings.

4 to 6?

I'm sorry?

Maybe we default to 4.30 and then for the pop-ups that it's a conflict we switch it back to 4 as needed?

I mean, if you want to set time, but we've always been, I think it's been more confident for Albemarle and Charlottesville Wednesday, we hope to meet you all on Thursday.

Right.

Is that good?

So we can get those calendar holds out for fiscal year 26 shortly after this meeting for everyone.

Thank you.

Chuck is muted on my online.

Thank you.

So looking forward to round seven, what sunshiny news can you give us to hope for?

But we can't guarantee the outcomes.

Is that going to happen again, or are they going to make things alone for a little bit?

They probably would have started that by now if they were going to do that.

I think building on what you have a discussion about, necessarily not going to be a lot of incremental changes.

Actually, that was my exact question is, you know, since the rules changed recently, are we anticipating changes again?

They do a review every round, so there might be minor changes, but I wasn't anticipating kind of that scale of changes.

How much does the governor's administration have an impact on that sort of thing?

So if there are changes, depending on the type of change, there are some changes that they can do through CTB direction and some things that they would have to go through to actually change state code.

I think it's such a tool that it's used

I don't think it's any more or less than it has been in the past.

I hope you'll find that.

I don't think any of us have any problems.

It looks as if it is new and I don't know if that happened in the last year or a couple years ago and I just didn't notice it.

I'm sorry I missed the first part.

Age 17 maybe.

Within the TIP?

Thank you.

Espie, would you like to give an update?

So I'm looking forward to sharing that with you.

Mitch, DRPT, I see you're on there now.

Yeah, can everyone hear me?

Yes.

And I believe that's all from us.

No, no.

I was just saying you're good.

I must have missed you the last time.

So, yeah.

Thank you.

And then as the ridership continues to go up, then we'll come back and just change it out from a bench to a shelter.

So I don't stand here in a trap.

So we just have to make sure that we clearly describe what's happening at the bus stop before we make the capital outlay of early in a shelter at bus stop.

without drivers or whatever on a monthly basis.

Once a month.

Once a month.

That's the goal.

So thank you for what you've done to help us in as a partner.

Both concerns about pedestrian safety, and we're really grateful for the quick films and everything that, you know,

On hydraulic, we're looking at the bridge deck for sometime after July 4th, so the deck stream bridge is moving along fairly well.

Any questions for Sean?

So we're having a fun summer of putting new ideas out on the ground and testing some things, and we're hoping that a lot of them will work out for us.

Would you try being supportive, like, the portable baseball and then having a flow of habitat where you just

There are a lot of opportunities to sort of smaller dots in a lot of areas.

That would be a great thing.

So that's it.

It's supposed to kick off.

And so that's been super helpful to go back and to refer to things that Russell has said.

What was the other thing?

It's not yet.

Enjoy your summer.

I lost summer.

Oh my gosh, Sean.

I've fulfilled summer.