MPO Policy Board Meeting   10/23/2024

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She's in the waiting room.

We're let her in right now.

Supervisor Malek, if you could just state your location and your reason for participating remotely, please.

I am at home and early still, and I'm keeping my germs to myself.

We have a quorum, OK. We have four.

I move for allowing Supervisor Malek to participate.

And if we could do the roll call, please.

And Ms. Londrey as alternate for Mr. Nelson?

Here.

Do you want to roll call of nonvoting?

And then we just ask that you state your name and where you live.

Mr. Chairman, I'll make one point of order for the first, that's about three minutes.

Sure.

And it seems like it'd be really great to address that calendar efficiency.

Did you know it is accessible online?

It takes a long time.

But we got your point on that.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Krebs.

Thank you.

Specifically to the NDO Policy Board?

No, not specifically to the board, to staff, to VDOT staff, city staff, PDC staff.

That makes sense.

Thank you.

Are there any additions that need to be made to those minutes?

The spelling, John Faltz's last name under the public comment is P-F-A-L-T-Z.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Aye.

Aye.

I'm going to read through kind of a general overview.

Some of this is within the staff memo that was included in the packet, but some of it is going back a meeting or two to make sure that we're starting from the same place.

May was the first time it came before the board.

And it's been back on the agenda since then, so this is actually the third appearance of functional classification.

That's just process, just to make sure we're all, where we landed here.

Any questions at this point on the process?

The only other thing that I have for you all is consideration.

How the sort of post-sausage is made relative to the way the professionals are looking at this and going, what is the sort of due diligence process that's done at the level of city staff, VDOT staff, and your staff?

Is that helpful?

Yes.

Yes.

We rely on your expertise.

and then they have certain specs and measurements and the team that reviewed these will try to match what they are currently to the specs but does that involve like going to the road or is it like looking up on Google and like doing a little measurement and like what is the what is the

I'd have to go to local staff to talk about how you conducted your review.

Mr.

Chambers, could I ask you, so with the recent up-zoning of the city, I'm assuming I would think that that sort of plays into what you think these brothers are going to be thankful of in 2020.

And for all of them, we're talking about zoning, how the city can actually

Can I ask, relative to the county, have y'all had feedback from citizens about this topic?

Nope, I don't have a formal presentation.

We gave the FFC formal presentation in the last meeting, we just deferred the decision.

Supervisor Malek, go ahead and make your comment.

Thank you.

Let us know if you want more detail or if that generally answers your question.

And I'll jump in to say that that is not the case for city streets.

Does that help with some of the explanations?

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Are there any other things outside of the particular streets in question before we dive into that?

And I think what some people are concerned about commonly is, I know I would be, and is, if you don't have all of you in place, and there's people who are less inclined to fight climate change infrastructure in world positions, could they have used these new classifications in some way as well?

And why don't you go at this at the table and just so you're the points out.

Sure.

There's not really, I mean, there are a lot of nefarious things that people would like to do with that, but I think we're worried about the people's staff currently at their disposal to change city streets than this thing that's just reporting to the federal government

So there would still be the governing bodies that would have to approve those staff decisions to put in applications or receive the funding.

This is a process question.

Where does this vote go from here?

FHWA, as far as I understand, has the final word.

That's my understanding.

That's my understanding.

It's just a process you have to go through to document why you want to do it and mapping why and have a resolution of support from the locality and the MPO.

If this gets approved and Market and Chesapeake are reclassified as minor collectors, what happens to them next?

Where possible, we could use the functional classifications as a justification for why we should be able to do things like that in order to invest in transit and where we can pilot it as importantly where we go.

Is that something that has worked elsewhere or are we hoping that we get them on that work line for

It is just one stick that we could throw the pile of reasons why we should have that brain.

Good, you, Brian?

There's none that I would like to take.

Oh, that's awesome.

So I get that sense of unease.

Well then,

That you're aware of?

No.

Part of the whole entrance corridor piece and getting that all lined up was us going through what we saw as a proper change to how they were classified and lined up with other priorities in the county, not just the classification itself.

I would remove this resolution by moving the proposed updates to the highway system's federal functional classification.

Second.

Supervisor Malek?

Ms. Londry?

And Mr. Brocker, you're going to walk us through this one?

But like I said, we're going through scoring now and we won't know what the final outcome of this scoring will be until January.

Any questions?

Is that today?

That's why we're talking about this is because through the application process, once they got in and started looking at the bridge, it is determined that if we wanted to do the design that is submitted, it would require the bridge replacement.

OK. And so that's what we're providing you.

OK. You got it.

We didn't identify the bridge replacement until July.

That's the alternative?

So what I was gonna do was set that up for another study moving forward, starting this first of next year, end of this year, first of next year.

If it doesn't, we can reapply and redesign later.

You can go through the STAR study process to look at different alternatives.

I've talked to L&D section and they're confident that we can do the mitigation on the bridge without having to actually maybe not even replace the deck of the bridge and then we could deal with the bridge itself as through the state of good repair program as opposed to having to absorb the cost of the bridge replacement in the project.

So I'm excited to hear that the potential for a separate bike ped infrastructure could possibly be a part of the project.

It will be new for this area, but not new across the country.

Yeah, I'm trying to google some pictures and I'm mostly getting render agencies.

All right, so Supervisor Malek, your hand's up.

So thank you very much.

Any other questions here?

I appreciate the consideration for where it's going to meet up with the city project.

It just won't, the term and I will be different.

Great, thanks.

Okay, we can go to the next one.

Ivy Road.

Sandy's set about it.

Buddy, hurt your eyes.

Buddy, look.

OK, can you see my screen again?

Oh, we've seen your screen the entire time.

So there's some options there, but like I said, these are some long-term solutions if the county wants to consider them.

Is there, I can tell from this map, is there any biped infrastructure

So it's left it open for future consideration.

I know there is bike lane when you get closer to town on 250.

Because that's my last slide on that.

I was just assuming that university's been part of these conversations.

So they've been involved in it throughout the process.

Supervisor Mack?

So perhaps you have one.

So I can't answer that question.

And it just crossed my mind.

Like I said, I don't know if that's stop controlled or not.

OK.

But you won't have any bound traffic on that road because it would have to go around the triangle and just go across that intersection.

Thank you.

So we're basically just allowing the through and the right turn onto Old Ivy Road at that intersection.

was just a complete that's why so many people were going east in order to go west by trying to go around the block because we sat there for like 15 minutes on the loop and nothing was happening so anyway as you well know this is a really complicated location with lots of people trying to go lots of places and getting to and from work you know those troubled times of day really is is an issue for a lot of folks so thank you Chuck appreciate your help.

Anybody else have any questions?

Or what's the soonest we can possibly see that happen?

They could access it and use it to get into the city, which currently they don't have anything right now.

That's right on the border of the city and the county, and so it's an awkward place to make a decision.

Yeah, we'll have to work with the county and the MPO on getting what they want to submit prepped so that we can put together to help them with their applications for the funding programs as they come up.

Thank you.

It seems that there could be many connections.

I mean, so I, like I said, there's a lot of ins and outs on that one that we'll have to work through.

Chuck, you got anything else?

Hold on one second here now.

It's very old Sandy's colors, so you can't.

So.

How many times has that happened?

Basically, we've already got the STARS studies identified and we've gotten consultants on board for all of those.

Oh, here we go.

Yes.

On the newly extended left turn lane on eastbound bypass to northbound hydraulic because I think you add there somebody's project added five or six cars spaces there but it still unfortunately jeopardizes the left lane all the way up to the bridge and so that's a little scary location as well I'm just checking on the process

But we're going to relook at all of that to make sure there's not something else we can do to further improve that area.

Thank you.

Any questions about that?

The notes that you have here, the asterisk, is that going to be submitted as part of it?

Chuck, did you hear the question, the asterisk at the bottom of your slide that says the alternative solution at Barracks Road?

Do you remember, Sandy, what that was for?

That's because there was an alternative that was identified as part of the pipeline project that had already been completed that could be resubmitted in a future round.

I think we're good Chuck, thank you.

Yeah, that's all I have.

The first one is a Safe Streets and Roads for All update and that is Gorjan and Sarah online reporting in from the Governor's Transportation Conference.

Thank you.

Any questions?

Sarah, did you have something to add?

Thank you.

Thank you.

Sorry for that interruption.

We just worked out a panic moment that we didn't hit record.

Great, we will send that out.

OK, that's all?

Yes.

Mr. Kondor, the updates from CTAC?

No, not at this time.

Up here is Mitch, somebody that would be calling?

Yes, that's DRPT.

That's who?

DRPT.

Oh, instead of... Mitch, Mr. Huber, I'm sorry, I got you confused with another name written down here.

No new updates from us.

So we'll go to the room.

Anyway, that's it from John.

Sandy, anything in addition over there?

I'll defer to Ms. Walling.

And Jessica, anything from the town?

The free bridge lane from the pilot program will kick off Friday, November 1st at 10 AM for the heat closing event.

Stacy?

It's one of the steps along the way, that's right.

Can you remind us of the approximate amount of time for the paper entry for 29?

I don't know if I know off the top of my head, but I can let you know.

Thanks.

It's quite a good one, mostly that one.

I don't go to that office and I'm like, oh, there's the camera.

Okay, so that, thank you everyone for the updates.

Okay, additional matters from the public.

Thank you, just wanted to be sure.

And with that, and if there is no objection, then we will adjourn.

Thank you, everyone.