MPO Policy Board Meeting   8/28/2024

Got it.

Supervisor Galloway?

Here.

Here.

Councilor Ochsman?

And Councilor Ochsman?

Here.

Mr. Miner?

Standing in for him from DRPT.

Mr. Condor?

Here.

Christine Jacobs, present.

Christine, you're going to handle that?

So just wanted to do an introduction of them both.

And you will have three minutes to speak.

Anyway, thank you.

All in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

That will take us to item number four, new business and speakers, you're going to want us to use items?

We're happy to take questions.

Basically, how are we going to incorporate that into this?

when the board determines that it wants to be in an all virtual capacity what rules apply when everybody is accessing online.

I guess my only question is if once internet fails then calling in by phone can be established yes and even though there's no visual available for those of us in the country this internet disappears

So whether that is a phone number or an email so that we can be notified if the mass public is no longer able to access the meeting so that we can call it into recess until it's reestablished.

My understanding is audio would be okay if the visual piece was not to be abolished.

Yes, you are correct on that one.

Abstentions?

So if you are not able to be seen, you are not counting towards that quorum, even if it fails or you turn it off, either one of those you are considered absent during that time.

It's consistent with everybody.

So all of our committees are seeing this policy.

Do you want to go ahead with that?

Okay, so this is the Federal Firing Functional Classification presentation by the Charlottesville Albemarle Metropolitan Planning Organization.

And who maintains all the record of systems that are classified?

I don't know if it's the mayor or the leader of my agency.

Classification also influences design, it affects how roads are funded, and it also impacts federal aid.

That was the following slide.

Slide six.

It was up, but she didn't say her points on this one.

I'm trying to see if people are lost or if people are falling.

I'm just trying to correlate in my mind what we've been calling collectors and arterials here in the cabin, and I don't need to learn more because it doesn't quite make sense.

So the Federal Highway Administration uses a decision tree to help determine

The PDC or the MPO will give a recommendation for approval.

Do I need to have a pointer?

Just give me a second to make sure we're not getting a notice on here.

We're not.

I apologize.

Pass on to the next step to review the staff memo and the resolution of supports and suggested that attached roads to be functionally classified.

Staff is going to recommend that you do defer on this until we can bring a final format to you.

So we wouldn't vote on either memo at this time.

And then you all can, at that time, take action on the resolution that you were involved in the process and it was coordinated with the MBO.

yes yes yes

So I don't recommend action until it's in final form.

Not everything is in the bigger direction.

So yep, it's in that direction.

Questions?

Anne, did you have one?

I appreciate the administration.

I guess so, because Shawn is working very hard.

Mr. Kingston described it's almost classifying the roadway as it's being used rather than applying an aspirational goal to the road.

Chuck, that's just the reclassification in this context.

That doesn't mean that Rome can't ever be redesigned safely.

So it does get in our way to do something different.

So as those on-the-ground changes are occurring, you can request through that other chart that she showed, you can request that they consider a reclassification of that road.

and that might be because a land use change happened or mass transit happened.

I think that's at slide 12.

So I think before that, it says requesting changed that slide.

I think that's the only example I've heard people give, and that would be an example here.

Don't bring up chicken row.

Go Charlottesville Chicken Street.

There you go.

That would be an example that would cause a request to change.

From that example, there's no way it's going to change because 29 is not a way of significance and all that stuff.

It's just toast right away.

That would be the only solution.

Things like that.

Yeah, so that will not pass.

or if you're seeking to be eligible for traffic calming measures, functional classification cannot be changed based on that as well.

How does that, what does that process look like if you want to change the streetscape of that to make it more neighborly and less like a, more of a street, less of a road?

My simple answer is fill the forms that need to be done.

Now it needs a request.

How do we do traffic calming?

Right, because VDOT would be responsible for it.

Yeah, is that how fun it would be?

I was just getting that.

So, I mean, you would have to have a Jewish public project based on the characteristics of the road that exists here, whether or not the department would support that.

county funds or city funds under a permit, then we would have those discussions.

Yeah, so what would that process look like if we wanted to turn that into less of a five-way industry?

I might be able to offer some insight.

He beat me to it.

So I can definitely send those materials in the chat too.

You had to hold it.

For roads that are a smaller classification, do they have more leeway to do redesigns without involving as many steps as a road with a higher classification?

I mean, we're based on somebody who's a volunteer or we're not going to go get a traffic problem, period, end of it.

So there are traffic calming guidelines and we didn't know that a lot until which of the types of roads that we need to go get.

I guess the genesis of my line of questioning is does increasing the class, not increasing the barrel, does upgrading, sorry.

So you can't do as many things to it.

So you could kind of correlate the high level transportation on the roadway, the more improvements that will potentially be needed to afford it.

I can take a stab at this.

You're just going to have to wind the road to do it.

Hopefully that helps with some of your questions and answers.

Thank you.

Okay, we need a motion to defer.

Action on the resolution.

Shannon's here to go over that item.

Thank you.

Adjustments.

All right.

Thank you.

Mr. Proctor, you're going to lock us through.

Chuck, would you like me to share your presentation or would you like to do it?

Any questions about that?

Where was the park and ride before?

Park just north of 250 off of 20, but it's not utilized because it closes at 6 o'clock at dark and it's not very convenient for people to get to that parking lot.

How well utilized was the one in the roses food line shopping center?

But the right of way cost is the big ticket item.

Did we talk to the giant parking lot folks?

No, we did not.

parking spots there we could use instead of building a whole new parking lot?

which in those kind of lots, we're just getting spots that they want to provide us to put signs up and said, park and ride.

I guess I'm going to ask the question, just out here, are we having a cold theme about park and ride?

I'm just wondering if we haven't, you know, that is an expensive project and if there is a lot that's being underutilized across the street.

So I'm hoping that this one scores as well this time as it did last time and we get it funded.

I mean, I know there's been a lot of checks and there's been a lot of money, but I'm like, well, so that's just, that's my balance to say, really?

Especially when there's a parking lot across the street.

All right, thank you.

It is submitted by the NPO, so it's applied, it's getting, going after the high priority funding that's, so it's competing against the other projects across the state for the statewide pot of money.

Right away until it's 16 million unemployed.

is um I know roundabouts kind of have to be connected for them to work and not have a choke point somewhere but um what I mean I don't know what other projects that this is going up against and will this the size of it be scary and is there a way to break this into smaller projects and submit at the same time so you don't have to wait another cycle or like how does that is there a strategy

If it's not funded, we would go back and re-evaluate to see what could we do differently that would help get this project across the finish line.

There's also separate projects that have the

It would have to be a local application if it was cut into smaller pieces.

part of this is there are some total takes and right away on the west side there's like two or three parcels on the west side on the north east quadrant and one parcel or two on the south quadrant there's one property owner but they own multiple parcels so it's one house that and a vacant lot next to it that we're going to be impacting so these inflated prices so the inflated totals are

That is what everybody's thinking about.

With fingers crossed hopefully that it doesn't end up being that high.

I haven't seen anything come in with the bubbles.

I've talked to my counterparts in the other districts and they're seeing similar type of escalation and cost for just the cost of the project from the baseline perspective are going up significantly in the past four years.

I mean, you all have to realize, let's say

We submit this project at $65 million without being played false.

Okay.

It's going to address a lot of the safety issues that are occurring at this intersection, as well as providing good pedestrian access between the high school and middle school.

Since it is such a high pedestrian intersection with all three of the schools within walking distance and a big neighborhood, are the crosswalks raised?

You've got to do an engineering study and we wanted to wait until it was funded and we got into the design and then we'll evaluate it at that time and decide what the appropriate controls are for this intersection.

OK, thank you.

Any questions about this one?

So to where Hillsdale meets Rio Road.

The double, the two signalized intersections right next to each other there.

To the left of the right of Westland VA.

Okay.

Thank you.

And this one is $37 million.

So the monster only looked at towards the beginning of the presentation and it included this as a component of it.

median to relocate some of the through movements and left turns from the side streets down to the next inner crossover so they can U-turn and come back and make the right, which basically addresses some of the safety issues we've had on this corridor and crashes that we've had with vehicles making that through movement.

If I was leaving from the west side of 250 on Planker, like coming from Bakesville, and I wanted to turn left to get back to Charlottesville, I would turn right, do a UE, and then go north?

Or that U-turn would occur.

I'm so sorry, could you say that again?

There's a right-turn lane on the outside that's at Plank Road on the northbound side, and it would be extended all the way back to where you would make that U-turn so that larger vehicles can actually U-turn there and stay on the road.

And that means shuttle buses leaving a wedding venue.

Correct.

Okay, there would be enough space for trucks, tractor trailers.

It provides them an area to they could circulate to the outside and then accelerate merge into the main line.

And that's the red line to the south of

There's actually a culvert we're having to extend right here just south of Plank Road to extend that right turn lane and that's part of this project also.

That's not horrible, I'm just curious.

So let me see if I can pull it up and find it.

And we will also send them out to you while we were waiting on this final one that hasn't arrived yet.

Um, so we'll be posting it to the, um, application and validating it, but the cost estimate is $79 million for the interchange improvements at fifth street.

And that's what provides it across the Commonwealth.

has a default on the inflation but so is and I will say that if any local government body has a concern with the estimates to provide what you feel your estimate is we're fine with you all involved with that.

Christine?

That's just information.

And I want to mention that I'll be happy to provide a formal presentation in the future.

Any questions now?

Looking forward to some of those good opportunities.

This is our Vision Zero platform.

I'm sorry.

This is basically our Vision Zero platform.

Yeah, it's the targets that you all adopted through resolution of the council.

I will save the December meeting date and time.

A couple of updates under this one.

but we'll keep that on the calendar.

I think it's October 23rd, the fourth Wednesday still.

Does that work for everybody so we can ensure a quorum?

I think so, yes.

So just wanted to share that with you all to make sure there was no large pause or concern that you wanted us to share back with VDOT staff.

What are we doing?

I'm happy to have a VDOT person give an overview of a star study.

It's all I have to

Mr. Kontor, anything from C-TAC?

So whether it's possible or not, I don't know, but that's what the message they wanted me to pass on.

All right, Mr. Huber.

No updates here.

Chuck, did you have any additional items or just the presentation today?

Sean will cover everything that we have.

Maybe someone will bring it here.

Vida, I'll collectively call on Vida.

Navy will be heavily involved in that process.

I watched it today for five and a half, two hours.

A lot of people made it to the left.

which is very concerning that people are not obeying the big signs.

You do not make the left.

Really?

So we reached out to VSP and

Is there signage on the add-on?

That was, nobody was making that left a little bit.

all going after all those 29 steps.

That's where I was on.

Within the first 25 minutes, that's all there was to do.

Around the block for now.

And what you could do instead is stay on 250 and take the exit.

Yes.

To be assigned at 250 before people get off.

I did not come from that side of 250.

But there's definitely a message boards hub out there.

And it's not like they can't just go 50 feet right up in the next slide over and go live at home.

I don't get to think on that, but I don't know if we're going to be able to physically put up any of it.

Even those delineators that are, at least there's a visible thing that says, no, you're not supposed to do that.

So trucks, if they need to navigate it based on, because we've reduced the foot

You have to change the name of it because it's no longer going to be a Spontane model because of the district avenues.

So all of Fontaine will hopefully be under construction at one time with one contractor.

The goal is for hopefully all the stuff to come together and we'll start procurement beginning of next year with a report sometime in 2026.

I would suggest if you want to express it in that project, it comes with bubble drinks at the Hilden Garden Inn on the 10th of September at

No changes in that.

So we've added two additional projects to it to hopefully get a contract with one competition.

This is a change in delivery of this postponement for District Avenue, which is supposed to be starting sooner.

District Avenue is going to be, yeah, District Avenue just awarded SmartScale the last round, so we're, this is lightning fast.

I will stop whining now, sorry.

He knows I'm going to keep going.

Cam, any updates?

The only major update, the county staff are working on comparing rhetoric sharing and applications for the care data and we want to work with you guys to get those things rolling really.

Any other updates on the name of the comment?

Any additional public comments, anyone?

If anybody online would like to give public comment, you can unmute yourself.

And then whatever was put into the chat.

Yes, I have both of those noted.

Yeah.