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Charlottesville Albemarle Regional Transit Authority Meeting   5/22/2025

Attachments
  • 01 202505 CARTA Board Agenda.pdf
  • 02 Draft CARTA minutes 3-27-25.pdf
  • 03 Additional Board Members Memo May 2025.pdf
  • 04 Remote Participation Policy.pdf
  • 05 CARTA Legislative Memo. 5.16.25.pdf
  • 06 Scope of Work - TJPDC Service Prioritization and Implementation Study.pdf
  • CARTA meeting minutes 5-22-25.pdf
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:00:14
      So, Lucy, do you want to let me know when we can start?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:00:16
      Are we all ready?
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:00:17
      We're good.
    • 00:00:18
      All right, I'd like to call the order.
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      The Charlottesville Albemarle Regional Transit Authority Board of Directors meeting, May the 22nd, 2025, and we have a forum.
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      So with that, we usually do introductions first.
    • 00:00:33
      So let's do introductions, as always.
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      Gretchen, you're normally back there.
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      I'm never going to get you to start.
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      I'm Gretchen Thomas.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:00:42
      I'm an assistant for TJPDC I'm Ben Chambers, I'm the transportation planning manager for the City of Charlottesville I'm Ann Wall and I serve as deputy county executive for Albemarle County Mike Cruth, I'm an Albemarle County supervisor representing Scottsville Natalie Ochrin, Charlottesville City Council Diana McKeel, Albemarle County Board of Supervisors David Blunt, deputy director, director of legislative services at TJPDC Christine Jacobs, executive director of TJPDC
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:01:11
      Taylor Jenkins, Director of Transportation, TJPDC Lucinda Shannon, TJPDC And because we don't have very many people usually, I highly does.
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      I'll ask you to introduce yourself.
    • 00:01:22
      Sure.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:01:23
      I'm Tanya Swartz-Nerver, Planning Manager for Albemarle County.
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      Glad to have you here.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:01:30
      Thank you.
    • 00:01:30
      Zoee Bacherberg, Transit Planner for Shady Charlottesville.
    • 00:01:33
      Great.
    • 00:01:34
      Sally Duncan, candidate for horse supervisor.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:01:37
      And when I qualified it, if we had 60 people back in the room.
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      But with three it's okay.
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      And we have two online.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:01:46
      Oh, we have two online, great.
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      We have Katie Miller and Katie Miller.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:01:54
      Katie Miller, Katie Miller, yep.
    • 00:01:56
      And Taylor Jenkins, okay, great.
    • 00:01:58
      Welcome guys.
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      Can you all hear us and see us okay?
    • 00:02:03
      Yes, they can.
    • 00:02:04
      They let us know if they can.
    • 00:02:05
      Yes, she can.
    • 00:02:06
      Okay, that's good.
    • 00:02:08
      Alright, the next item on our agenda is to accept the agenda, so I would entertain a motion to approve the agenda.
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      Second.
    • 00:02:17
      Alright, so there's a motion by Mike, a second by Natalie, and we need to call the roll for all of our votes according to our bylaws.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:02:29
      Councillor Pinkston, Councillor Ostran,
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      Yes.
    • 00:02:34
      Supervisor McKeel.
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      Yes.
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      Supervisor Pruitt.
    • 00:02:37
      Right.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:02:38
      All right.
    • 00:02:39
      So we have an agenda.
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      The next item is approval of our draft minutes from March the 27th.
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      Does anybody have, anybody find any, anybody wanted to point out or any items or changes?
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      If not, I entertain a motion to approve the minutes from March the 27th.
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      I vote to approve the March 27th minutes.
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      Second.
    • 00:03:04
      All right, so we have a motion and a second.
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      Good teamwork over here to my left.
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      If you want to call for a vote.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:03:11
      Habsler-Ochren.
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      Yes.
    • 00:03:13
      Supervisor McKeel.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:03:15
      Yes.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:03:15
      Supervisor Pruitt.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:03:16
      Aye.
    • 00:03:17
      All right, so we now have minutes approved.
    • 00:03:21
      Matters from the public.
    • 00:03:23
      Do we have anyone from the public that signed up to speak, wants to speak?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:03:28
      If anybody here wants to speak, you can raise your hand.
    • 00:03:32
      And I don't think Katie... We don't have anyone signed up to speak.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:03:37
      Alright, so we'll move to the next item, which is non-voting directors, staff memo.
    • 00:03:46
      And Ben, you're presenting that.
    • SPEAKER_01
    • 00:04:00
      different agencies you might want to buy a different number of
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      bring on DRPT and UVA as two of the non-voting members and leaving the other two seats, MD for now.
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      We thought that these are the two most important for you to include in your discussions.
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      Initially, DRPT serves on several commissions throughout the state that are with different transit and transportation authorities, and UVA is
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      in the room.
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 00:05:33
      So the word transit agency in this context, who are you imagining that embracing?
    • 00:05:39
      Obviously Cat, transit agency.
    • SPEAKER_01
    • 00:05:41
      Are we imagining John from transit agency?
    • 00:05:43
      Yes, John and UTS in their capacity as a hangover.
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      for direction of a thumbs up of yes, please invite these folks to our board to be non-voting members and also for us to go draft the amendment that would allow the transit agencies to participate.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:06:21
      Just curious, do you have an idea of not the name of a person, but the department or the position that you'd be recommending for the RPT and UVA?
    • 00:06:32
      Or do you want to just talk about that at the next meeting?
    • SPEAKER_01
    • 00:06:42
      So someone from that office, from that level or that office, it may be whoever is included or someone from that office is authorized to serve you.
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      I don't think so.
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      It's a pretty important thing.
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      And how about DRPT?
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:07:22
      How does the invitation process happen?
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      Like are they aware of this conversation that's happening right now?
    • 00:08:16
      Then the next item is our electronic meeting policy which we all have to
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:08:40
      This is mimicking all of the other policies that you guys have already adopted on any other public body that you're on, but it serves for two purposes.
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      One is for remote meetings and for all virtual participation in in-person meetings, so they're both within the same policy.
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      The first one would permit members to participate in a meeting virtually that is being held physically in person.
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      and the second one is for all of CARTA members to meet in an all virtual format.
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      Both of them are contained within here.
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      So in order for remote participation, a quorum must be physically present in a common meeting space and the person participating remotely must note the reason.
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      They must be able to, if they're quoting a personal reason or a personal matter, it can be limited to two meetings per year or 25%.
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      Since CARTA meets six times per year, that's limited to two meetings.
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      for the year.
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      You must note the location from which they're participating and the board must approve their remote electronic participation.
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      For meetings that are being held in an all virtual format, where all members are participating through electronic means, public notice must include that it's all virtual, must give public access, let them know how it is that they can participate.
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      The public must be able to hear all members of the body.
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      And when establishing a quorum or conducting action, the members must also be seen via the audio visual technology.
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      If a member is not visible or able to be seen, they are actually considered absent during that time in the meeting.
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      We also have to provide a phone number or other live contact information so the public can notify us if we have lost audio visual communication.
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      If that occurs, the meeting does have to go into recess until that connection can be restored so that it can still be accessible to the public.
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      Any materials provided to the board must be provided to the public at the same time.
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      And then the public must be afforded the opportunity to comment as they would in other meetings if that is a part of the agenda.
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      And then no more than two members of the public body can be assembled in one remote location unless it is open to the public for them also to be in that remote location to participate.
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      And then all virtual meetings cannot occur in two simultaneous meetings back to the not simultaneous consecutive excuse me.
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      and can be no more than two times per calendar year or 50% of the meetings.
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      So for CARTA, six meetings, it can be no more than three meetings per year, alternating every other if that's what you all would choose.
    • 00:11:02
      And then finally, this policy, like you said from the beginning, does have to be adopted annually for the code.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:11:08
      There were some changes recently.
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      They're all incorporated.
    • 00:11:12
      Yes, ma'am.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:11:13
      So staff would recommend a motion to adopt the remote meeting and all virtual meeting policy as presented.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:11:18
      Just let me ask quickly.
    • 00:11:26
      All right, we have a motion and a second from our team to my left.
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:11:33
      Counselor Ostran?
    • 00:11:35
      Yes.
    • 00:11:36
      Supervisor McKeel?
    • 00:11:37
      Yes.
    • 00:11:37
      Supervisor Pruitt?
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:11:38
      Aye.
    • 00:11:40
      All right, so we now have adopted the electronic meeting policy.
    • 00:11:45
      Legislative update and David, welcome.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:11:48
      It's nice to have you here.
    • 00:11:50
      Nice to see you all.
    • 00:11:51
      I know, after the General Assembly I try to say hello.
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      Pull him in.
    • 00:11:57
      We started to plug in to your all's work here in the last month or two and I guess not only the discussions that you all had but also within the RTP about
    • 00:12:10
      have a path toward getting to perhaps enabling legislation in the next General Assembly session to generate some revenue for transit.
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      So we wanted to provide you with just kind of an update on some of the things that at the staff level Charlottesville, Albemarle, as well as TJPD staff have been doing toward that end.
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      And you have just a short one-page memo
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      in your packet.
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      And if you look down to the summary part, it's really kind of four quoted points to expand upon a little bit.
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      I think with me having started to plug in and
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      I've operated in the transit and transportation space some, but I felt like I needed to dig in a little bit.
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      So it's been good for me, I think, to be able to have conversations with folks at the statewide level, some state agency folks, statewide association folks.
    • 00:13:08
      You're catching up on some reading just to
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      trying to get a better lay of the land as far as what some of the discussions have been, what are going on right now in other parts of the state and at the state level with regard to transportation and transit.
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      So I've been trying to do some of that, just kind of making those outreaches, had another one today in between meetings in Richmond.
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      County have been starting to look at potential revenue options.
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      What are those revenue sources that might be candidates for seeking additional authority to be able to implement?
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      In 2009, when the legislation was created that enabled the creation of this body, there was an accompanying bill that was not successful.
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      that would have provided for a once it local sales tax by referendum if you didn't remember that so that and there's probably some other options that some of the other transportation authorities utilizing that I believe that that work is is going on right now
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      We also are going to be developing just a little short one or two page memo.
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      I think when we had our last meeting, we were talking about the past, the present, and the future.
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      Something that could be an educational and awareness type document, some background about the discussions about transit and transit needs in the region through the formation of CARTA, what's going on now with CARTA in those discussions, and then again,
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      What is it that we're working toward in terms of being able to look at potential legislation for authorizing the generation of additional revenue for that?
    • 00:14:59
      I think that would be a good piece to have, not only for conversations that I've already been able to have, but any future conversations or ongoing conversations
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      with other stakeholders and other entities at the statewide level or other regions that may be having some similar conversations as you are here.
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      But then also certainly with state legislators.
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      So we've also made an outreach with the three legislators that represent Charlottesville and Albemarle.
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      So Senator Deeds, Delegate Causton, and Delegate Laufer to see if we can get an audience with them.
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      Again, I think Senator Dee's been around, so probably knows the history somewhat better.
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      But really just make sure that everybody is aware of the work that's been going on both within the RTP and forming CARTA, what we're talking about now, and what we're looking to do in the coming months.
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      I think it's probably also important in those discussions to be able to receive feedback from them.
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      They're talking to their colleagues in the legislature and other policy makers all the time.
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      What are they hearing?
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      What are the possibilities?
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      Is there momentum in certain areas?
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      Who might be other folks that they would recommend that we reach out to that we have conversations with?
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      is kind of maybe really kind of helping as we move through the next six to seven months, helping to chart that path towards the 26th general assembly.
    • 00:16:38
      So with that, I'm glad to take any questions that you all might have.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:16:43
      Questions for anybody?
    • 00:16:44
      Questions?
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      I would just add that we invited, and I can't remember and I'll be standing here, a few years ago,
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      Cree Deeds and at that time Sally Hudson and they came to the meeting and we talked about we were looking towards an authority.
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      So Cree certainly is aware of it.
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      But it's been a while now.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:17:08
      And the delegate of Tuscano carried the bills back in 2009.
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      Cree was a co-patron on the authority bill.
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      Delegate Tuscano went alone on the revenue piece.
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 00:17:43
      I may defer to some of the other folks here in terms of the transportation authorities where sales tax was a part.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:18:10
      some of those other revenue authorities.
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      So if it is something that the General Assembly has seen before and they may be familiar with it then that probably helps the cause.
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      You know quite frankly I think the 2009
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      legislation had more to do about politics defeating that than anything else, including what the source was.
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      I think it would be important to see what kind of information is generated from the staffs at the county and the city, so what they would generate and how feasible it might be.
    • SPEAKER_01
    • 00:18:44
      And you all are looking at models.
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      as them meeting together, but we introduced CARTA and the concept behind it so they understand what we're trying to do here.
    • SPEAKER_01
    • 00:19:00
      And I have started to grapple internally with, OK, what we think is feasible for our residents here.
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      We had that conversation.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:19:24
      So you can layer them, I think.
    • SPEAKER_01
    • 00:19:26
      You don't have to just have one.
    • 00:19:27
      That's right.
    • 00:19:28
      Yes.
    • 00:19:28
      That's right.
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      And there have been other taxing abilities that we have asked for in our legislative packet in the region previously for land use value taxes.
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      That's a thing that's come up that has not shown up in other agencies.
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      So maybe that's an opportunity.
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      Maybe there's an opportunity to do some sort of tax increment financing that somebody hasn't done in other agencies.
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      There are a lot of different tools
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      that aren't just limited to what people have done before, so.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:19:58
      I remember being shown in America and, well, a year ago, a year and a half ago, it was interesting because one of the counties' localities, and I don't even remember if it was in the state of Virginia, it was in Maryland, I thought it was fascinating that one of their funding sources were AirBnBs.
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      Remember that?
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:20:21
      I do.
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      We talked about it.
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      I need to pull up that article again too.
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      I thought that was very interesting.
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      Like transient occupancy?
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      Airbnbs.
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      Just airbnbs.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:20:32
      They were putting a tax on airbnbs, which in a way, I like it when people from out of our community are paying for
    • SPEAKER_01
    • 00:20:50
      I'm just thinking there are also
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 00:21:29
      I wonder if you think this is something you can get away with, if you let me know, to the state.
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      Robbing Peter to pay Paul for a tax that already exists in the state.
    • 00:21:39
      What I'm thinking are, for the entire coverage area, there are court fees.
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      There are fines related to traffic.
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      There's a lot of them.
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      And those go via pretty arcane, split-wise decisions to a lot
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      What if we get 60% of that radio traffic issue?
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:22:17
      That might be a good question for the attorneys to see how you could navigate the different sections of the state code and then I think you'd have to think about it in terms of any kind of a change like that.
    • 00:22:32
      Would it be statewide?
    • 00:22:33
      Probably not a non-starter and I don't even know if it would be a starter for just a couple of individual localities.
    • 00:22:39
      Interesting
    • SPEAKER_01
    • 00:23:04
      That isn't really going to help us here, because we're not talking about smart scale, we're talking about transit.
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      Smart scale can fund some capital improvements, but that's really not where the whole wall ends.
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 00:23:13
      I guess I'd like to start to generally think about existing revenue streams that are captured at the state level.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:23:46
      Having said that, I can't tell you how often I go to a place and I have a list that I pay that's this long, right?
    • 00:23:54
      That's aside from, and you all know what I'm talking about.
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      I do want to point out that our goal with CARA was always to generate revenue to support transit.
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      And how we start is in how we finish.
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      And so if we can
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      we might need to think about the inventory of the fees that might be available or the taxes that might be available but we might want to sort of simplify the approach to begin with to sort of get our foot in the door and I'd lean on David a little bit for sort of his thoughts on that but with the idea that we over complicating it may not serve us well versus
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      decided that we're going to put our foot in the door.
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      We're going to get that first bit of revenue.
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      We're going to find that project that is impactful to the community.
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      We're going to demonstrate that we can do this.
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      And then the next time we have another project, maybe after that, the spigot opens a little bit more and there's a little additional revenue that we can go in.
    • 00:25:01
      It's always good to evaluate what's out there.
    • 00:25:04
      We just might want to not just do
    • 00:25:08
      I'm risking having one more metaphor in all of that.
    • 00:25:10
      We don't want to buy out more than we can show.
    • 00:25:12
      Well, then you're talking about low-hanging fruit and getting something successful off the ground to get it done that's meaningful and then go from there.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:25:57
      Yeah, I think that would be something definitely worth discussing because I said earlier the previous one was very specific to sales tax and there was a referendum requirement.
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      You have to think about that wording and how
    • 00:26:13
      I don't want to dispute the kind of logic and the wisdom of let's not for complicate the first funding round so that we can demonstrate our quality.
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 00:26:33
      I just would also suggest I think
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      is the most progressive way of raising money.
    • 00:26:59
      We have a more progressive way of raising money for Carta already.
    • 00:27:04
      And that is just, we all contribute from our general fund in an increased property tax.
    • 00:27:08
      That is a better way to do it than a sales tax.
    • 00:27:11
      It's maybe less popular, but it's actually normatively better for the community.
    • 00:27:16
      And so between those alternatives, if the only thing we're looking at is a sales tax, then we need to have different conversations
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:27:26
      and I like the idea of a tourist family, but I'd like to be part of that.
    • 00:27:29
      So when Danny was here before
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      Remember the chart that he had?
    • 00:27:40
      He gave us some information on what other localities were doing.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:27:44
      Both the governance study did that analysis as well, looking at all the existing authorities and then also some other comparable regional bodies in other states and looking at what all their revenue sources were.
    • 00:27:54
      And then Danny did it, a more recent version of even some of the ones that aren't formal authorities, but maybe like coalitions of transit that are receiving funds.
    • 00:28:02
      So he did that as well, provided that.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:28:06
      And that's been very helpful for our teams as well because they've been able to go and sort of think about what those revenues look like and how that might work locally.
    • 00:28:20
      So next steps then, quarter of a day?
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:28:24
      You know, I think we can be certainly prepared.
    • 00:28:28
      I don't know if there's some, you know, every other month, maybe there's kind of a standing up
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      or informal conversations about where we are or where we need members to plug in to conversations and that type of thing.
    • 00:28:48
      I'm assuming we would make that one to two page memo, educational piece available for you all to use as well.
    • 00:29:00
      Conversations that you would be having.
    • 00:29:04
      We're continuing to talk in the working group at every meeting about what we are doing from the legislative standpoint and what we need to do.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:29:13
      And I would say a one-pager would be great.
    • 00:29:16
      And maybe also there might be some additional conversations that we could bring back some of that information.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:29:23
      When he said earlier, part of this is outreach to them to educate, but it's also a listening tour of hearing what some of the temperature of the sector is right now.
    • 00:29:37
      Can also bring some of that feedback back.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:29:39
      And I think it's important to have the ongoing communications because what you may hear two months ago and now may not be the same two months from now in terms of what people are hearing or certainly
    • 00:29:53
      depending on what happens in November will probably you know influence the conversation as well.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:30:01
      The prediction was if the next session was going to be about transportation and then I read an article not too long ago somewhere and I can't remember that they're backing off from that.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:30:14
      Well, I think there's different needs that I'm hearing about in the conversations I've been having in different parts of the state, particularly North Virginia, no surprise.
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      And there's a legislative study that's primarily addressing WMATA, but other transportation needs in that area.
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      There's this DMV moves, which is the COG Council of Government's effort up there, which is looking at some broader things as well.
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      Hampton Roads had some legislation this past year, including focused on transit.
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      It was not successful, wrong timing for them.
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      So it may depend on where other legislation has come from.
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      We were talking in our last meeting about some of those other past efforts and discussions that are going on now and maybe what we would see from other parts of the state next session are going to maybe be focused on
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      more funding for them, whereas we're not asking for funding if we're going to move forward with a request for authority.
    • 00:31:16
      We're asking for the authority to generate revenue.
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      So different discussion, I think, particularly with the uncertainties that we may see in the next eight months with regards to the state budget.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:31:28
      Well, in regards, I would just say with the election in November, we have a governor who said, I'm not even going to give you permission to ask your citizens.
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      So there are challenges.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:32:06
      I know you all had some conversation previously about a comprehensive package.
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      It may be that that comes together, it may not be.
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      But I think if the opportunity, if we're positioned to want to jump onto something and the opportunity is there,
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      you should be prepared to do that but I think it's also particularly if things that are moving elsewhere are more funding related than your authority related to be prepared to go on your own with legislation.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:32:44
      So really this was information and you all are going to be coming back to us with more information.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:32:50
      Actually I do have a question.
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      For the, this might be
    • 00:33:01
      For the raising revenue of it all, does the existing legislation preclude us from charging a fare or are we allowed to do that?
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:33:14
      The legislation wouldn't speak to fares because it's not yet speaking to us being an operator.
    • 00:33:19
      Right, yeah.
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:33:20
      I didn't know where the revenue line was.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:33:23
      The legislation right now does not give us permission.
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      It doesn't give us the authority to generate a revenue.
    • 00:33:28
      That's what we would be going to the General Assembly for, is that authority.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:33:33
      There were separate pieces of legislation.
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      One was the authority piece, the other was the revenue piece.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:33:41
      Well, in fact, if you go on that one.
    • 00:33:44
      Yeah.
    • 00:33:46
      OK.
    • 00:33:46
      So we're moving on to, I believe, item six.
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      Prioritization and implementation of feasibility studies.
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:33:53
      So and this is the draft Yes, so in January TJ CDC applied to DRPT for a technical assistance grant for this project on behalf of Cardiff Last month the draft zip document was released by DRPT and it's currently included as a recommendation for funding and
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      and so the CTV will vote to finalize the six-year improvement plan at their next meeting in June but because it's recommended for funding we are going ahead to make sure we're prepared to kick off on July 1.
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      And so in your packet is a draft scope document just a little bit about what this study intends to do.
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      Using the regional transit vision plan the project will further evaluate the transit services that were included
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      and the unconstrained and the constrained networks to develop a prioritized list of recommended transit services.
    • 00:34:44
      The transit vision plan obviously had a lot of public engagement, a lot of community buy into it, but it gave us lump sums for both the unconstrained and the constrained network.
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      So this project would seek to pull those out and give us individual costs for operations and costs for capital for operating all of those and then prioritizing short term, medium term and long term implementation for those.
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      for the match.
    • 00:35:13
      Most of that will go out to a consultant for the project, but the TJPVC will retain some of that for administrative costs for invoicing and things like that for project management.
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      But we wanted to put this in front of you all today just to kind of get any initial feedback or answer any questions that you all have before we get back together as staff to finalize it.
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:35:45
      I think one of the benefits of this prioritization, there's really two in my mind is that we're working simultaneously with any legislative effort so that we can continue the momentum of this body and we can start looking at what are the things
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      I think the second, though, is also to have that prioritized list when we're asking for authority.
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      It's to say
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      in order to accomplish these things that we have already laid out as priorities.
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      We've done all of the engagement.
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      We've done what we can with our local dollars.
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      So it gives us a lot of tools to go through this process.
    • SPEAKER_01
    • 00:36:29
      As part of our discussion with the finance, you're also saying this is the process that's happening in parallel with your conversations, so we need you to help
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      need to do that, what would it take to do that?
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:37:29
      It's a sort of phased approach so we should have a bigger picture idea of what our priorities are
    • SPEAKER_07
    • 00:38:06
      and looking at them in comparison to the existing transit development plan and transit strategic plan of the transit agencies.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:38:17
      I believe that the most recent transportation authority legislation was for Central Virginia and I understand that they came in with a very well done list of priorities and projects and that that was very key to exactly what they said, being able to show we've done the work, we've identified what's most important, this is the revenue.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:38:39
      So when you say Central Virginia, you mean Richmond?
    • 00:38:42
      CBT.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:38:52
      Yeah and I think you know they were they were certainly broader in terms of the you know member jurisdictions so I think they were also had some good foresight to kind of make sure that there was a win for everybody you know in terms of your piece of revenue that they were able to get you know or it's like you know here's that low hanging fruit project
    • 00:39:12
      Maybe it's a regional project.
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      And that was the first win coming out of it.
    • SPEAKER_01
    • 00:39:15
      Well, same thing when we have a referendum for schools.
    • SPEAKER_00
    • 00:39:17
      We make sure that every school is touched somehow or another so that those populations, you know, it's important.
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      But this grant and this study can be really helpful
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:39:41
      embark on our path for transit and transit improvements because the grant allows us to do this study that will say these are the top priorities, this is where we need to go.
    • 00:40:12
      And that CTV meeting is when in June?
    • SPEAKER_08
    • 00:40:15
      It is June 17th.
    • 00:40:18
      I think it's the workshop and action is the next day typically Consultants.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:40:23
      So we use a lot of consultants.
    • 00:40:24
      I'm just interested in
    • SPEAKER_01
    • 00:40:39
      The fastest way for us to access a consultant that is going to be able to support us on this grant is to be able to go through TRPTs on the call.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:41:12
      Having said that, the consultant will be coming back to this group, I assume, making presentations.
    • 00:41:20
      We have had consultants that we, the technology and where they are and their technology is so bad.
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      I'm just saying, we need to make sure we have those, I don't know how you do it, you guys work the magic, but it's really frustrating to have a consultant
    • 00:41:39
      and Timbuktu giving us a presentation and we can't hear them, we can't understand them.
    • 00:41:44
      Their technology is bad, their connection is bad.
    • 00:41:47
      Somehow or another we need to wipe that into the, you have to.
    • 00:41:50
      I'm just saying.
    • 00:41:51
      If they can't produce good technology then shove on it, drive down here and present to us in part
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 00:42:23
      I'm less concerned about when they're not physically here than when they very clearly have not ever been here, if that makes sense.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:42:28
      I agree with that, too.
    • SPEAKER_02
    • 00:42:29
      They're not the room with me, and they're never going to hear this.
    • 00:42:31
      I'm thinking the consultant we had assisting in the cell tower ordinance building.
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      And not very well informed on the level of concern.
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:42:42
      It's the same thing with staff.
    • 00:42:44
      If you're going to bring, you know, our own staff,
    • 00:42:46
      If you're going to bring this up for folks who want to talk about something, I anticipate that you've at least been there, driven it, and looked at it.
    • 00:42:53
      It's no different, right?
    • 00:42:56
      So yeah.
    • 00:42:58
      But the technology in this room at times with consultants has been appalling way back.
    • 00:43:03
      I'm just saying.
    • 00:43:04
      Something to keep his mind.
    • 00:43:06
      That's right.
    • 00:43:07
      Yeah.
    • 00:43:09
      I've seen the audience a bit.
    • 00:43:10
      That's great.
    • 00:43:11
      Anything else that you all want to say?
    • 00:43:13
      We felt the same thing.
    • 00:43:15
      I don't want to get blamed.
    • 00:43:19
      So, I think we have come to other business updates and reminders and I don't have any updates or reminders
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      but hearing no objections then I will adjourn us to our next meeting on July the 24th and of course we will wrap around next month for the partnership.
    • 00:44:14
      What's the date of that partnership?
    • SPEAKER_04
    • 00:44:18
      It's the fourth Thursday?
    • SPEAKER_03
    • 00:44:21
      June 26th.
    • 00:44:21
      So we should know then about the grant.
    • 00:44:30
      Well everybody enjoy your extra time we've got.
    • 00:44:33
      What was that?
    • SPEAKER_05
    • 00:44:34
      I missed it.