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Nelson County
Board of Supervisors Meeting 7/9/2024
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Board of Supervisors Meeting
7/9/2024
I. CALL TO ORDER
A. Moment of Silence
B. Pledge of Allegiance
II. PUBLIC COMMENTS
III. CONSENT AGENDA
A. Resolution – R2024-46 Minutes for Approval
B. Resolution – R2024-47 Budget Amendment
C. Resolution – R2024-48 COR Personal Property Tax Refund
D. Resolution – R2024-49 NCCDF Fee Waivers
IV. RECOGNITION OF RETIRING TREASURER ANGELA HICKS (R2024-50)
V. PRESENTATIONS
A. VDOT Report
B. Larkin Property Water and Sewer Capacity Phase I Engineering Report – CHA
VI. NEW & UNFINISHED BUSINESS
A. Body Worn Camera MOU with Commonwealth Attorney (R2024-51)
B. Sheriff’s Department Requests
1. DCJS Grant for Sheriff’s Office Accreditation (R2024-52)
2. Local Constitutional Officer Supplement Policy Amendment (R2024-53)
C. Authorization of Participation in Kroger Opioid Abatement Settlement (R2024-54)
D. 2025 Regional Housing Summit Sponsorship Request
E. FY24-25 Salary and Classification System (R2024-55)
F. Lovingston Sidewalk Improvements TAP Grant Memorandum of Agreement (R2024-56)
VII. REPORTS, APPOINTMENTS, DIRECTIVES AND CORRESPONDENCE
A. Reports
1. County Administrator’s Report
2. Board Reports
B. Appointments
C. Correspondence
D. Directives
VIII. CLOSED SESSION PURSUANT TO 2.2-3711 (A)(3), (A)(7) & (A)(8)
IX. ADJOURNMENT (AN EVENING SESSION WILL NOT BE CONDUCTED)
SPEAKER_02
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All right, we were called to order this July 9th meeting of Nelson Board of Supervisors.
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If you all would please stand and join me in a moment of silence followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.
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Thank you.
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All right, Mr. Rutherford.
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All right.
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First up, we have public comments.
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And please stick to three minutes per individual, five minutes if you're speaking on behalf of a group.
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Mr. Reed will keep time.
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Please, Mr. Reed, he'll let you know when you have 30 seconds to go.
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And please be respectful for others in the room and watching from home.
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First, we will start with Marta Keene from Java.
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If you could state your name, your address, and come on up.
SPEAKER_01
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Good afternoon.
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I'm Marta Kane, CEO at Java.
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Java is located at 674 Hillsdale Drive, Charlottesville, Virginia.
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Thank you for allowing me a few minutes to share with you today.
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In front of you, you should have an annual report of ours.
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It's from 2023 because every year is based on finishing our taxes and our audit.
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But you can see it gives you an idea of our programs.
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Over 20,000 people in the room
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and satisfaction.
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The other thing I'd point out on there is our volunteers.
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Capacity building gave us the equivalent of 23 employees that we were able to help build out what we did.
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And along those lines, I really want to acknowledge the volunteer at Cecilia Epps Community Senior Center who won the volunteer award a few weeks ago.
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And so we're so proud of her.
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One thing that's not in the annual report but I'm very proud of is that our audit this year found that 82.7% of our funds go directly to services.
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The benchmark for non-profits is 65%.
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Our auditors like to see 75, so of course we have to exceed in every way possible.
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And I think that's important because I want you to know that your money that you give us and that I want to thank you so much for is going directly to the seniors and for their services.
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A couple of updates.
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We're finishing up our numbers for fiscal year 24 now.
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We want to make sure we've got all our data in and make sure it all
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makes sense and then later on in the probably early fall Tish will come and share a final update.
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But through Q3, which would be through March, we've seen over a thousand people or given a thousand people assistance with our senior helpline from Nelson County and that's meant about 2,000 contacts because often people will call back with more questions.
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Another one I want to point out is caregiver services.
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That's really increasing.
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We've been able to help 25 caregivers this year and that's been about 120 contacts.
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So we're finding once we make contact, they come back and we've just hired a caregiver coordinator who will do that specifically and have more information.
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So we're looking forward to that number growing.
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One that I'm sure won't surprise you will be running about 30 people in the Cecilia Oak Center and that means about 750 units of service because they come twice a week and most of them come pretty much all the time and that is also their socialization and their participation in health education and some healthy steps.
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Home delivered meals were up to 40
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The postcards we sent out really increase that number and it's about 8,700 meals through March.
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So we're very happy with the process and progress we're making here in Nelson and we appreciate all the support that we know all of you have given as you keep your constituents knowing about what we do.
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The other handout that's in front of you is stories.
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On page 11, though, I would highlight that story specific to Nelson.
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And I think it's a particularly lovely story.
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And so hopefully I can highlight it quickly and stay in my five minutes or else you can read it later.
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But a female client was not wanted some more home delivered meals.
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And so our aging service coordinator went out to the home.
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And of course, once you're in the home, you see a lot of other things that are going on.
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And for instance, that she didn't have running water, and there were a lot of issues.
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So we helped get her to a new home.
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Now she's been able to be very happy there, and she's resuming her cancer treatments.
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She's using a rollator, which I can attest to as a wonderful thing to help with mobility, and has a ramp back at her home.
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She was also able to get, we were able to get Nelson Community Development Foundation to install grab bars for her and to get her some incontinence products because they can get very expensive and All Blessings Flow is a good source of that.
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So, and we increased her number of home delivered meals.
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So she's been able to remain safely in her home and that's a big win because we all know we all rather stay in our own home
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So enjoy reading those other stories.
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They're heartwarming, and thank you for all of your support.
SPEAKER_02
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Absolutely.
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Thank you, and thank you for everything Java does for our community and specifically everything you do for Java.
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Thank you.
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Thank you so much.
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All right.
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Next up, we have Robert Gibish, Rainbow Ridge Road,
SPEAKER_11
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Robert Dubish, 3034, Rainbow Ridge, Rosewater.
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I quoted Dr. Archie Calo Carinos.
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The further I looked into it, the more shocked I became.
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I found that the whole vaccine business was indeed a giant hoax.
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And then another quote from 400 pages of research by doctors.
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Vaccination along with war could be the biggest fraud in all of history.
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For each disease epidemic from 1850 to 2018, all you need to do is replace the date and location.
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You'll come to the inescapable conclusion that the drug companies have been running the same racket repeatedly.
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This crime of greed will continue.
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until the people are aware.
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Disease mongering has been going on since 1796.
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and then a quote from a Dr. David E. Martin who lives in Charlottesville PhD in relative to the COVID story.
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This is his four years of research conclusion.
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This was an excuse to set the stage for the distribution of an experimental gene therapy in the form of WRNA injections.
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It was a COVID care campaign.
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A racketeering exercise coordinated by the WHO's Global Preparedness Monitoring Board for the exclusive purpose of gaining access to the control of sovereignty over the movement and the free association of people around the world.
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So I want this to be in our attention because when the COVID story hit here, all of us who have taken an oath to the Constitution, somehow that Constitution, particularly the First Amendment, melted.
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Nobody could go to church because somebody came on television and said, you might get sick.
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So I'm here just to hold it in our memory.
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There's going to be another one.
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They're already building the vaccine movie for maybe the bird flu.
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So what are we going to do the next time?
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And I hope that we've learned and we stand up and act like Americans.
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And I thank you all for doing what you do for the county.
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I appreciate all of you.
SPEAKER_02
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Next we have Elwood Waterfield III.
SPEAKER_12
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No need for me to say my name, you know that you've already announced it.
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And I am homeless because this county stole my car.
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because I stand up against corruption in this nasty, filthy county.
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And while it's on my mind with that empty seat right there, Tommy Harvey's not at half these meetings.
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I hope his page reflects that.
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I told you, I said, last time I gave you documents, Lisa Bryant is a criminal.
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She belongs behind bars.
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Tired of playing with you people?
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You should've tried to settle with me instead of keep maliciously prosecuting me and making me homeless.
SPEAKER_02
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Next, we have Steven Bain, Farnall-Clyne.
SPEAKER_10
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Steven Bain, 620 Farnall-Clyne, Nellysford, Board of Supervisors.
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First thought, note my email letter sent to you on July 3rd entitled CBRHP, Piedmont Community Land Trust Renaissance Ridge.
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Please respond to this request for information.
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Please explain how and when you will communicate to the county citizens a comprehensive plan regarding low-income housing for Nelson County.
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Second point, in addition, I note Resolution R 2024-49, Nelson County Board of Supervisors Supportive Housing Opportunity
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and Debris Disposal onto the backs of citizens instead of the developers.
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Number three, I also know Resolution R 2024-56, Nelson County Board of Supervisors authorization to enter into agreement with VDOT to accept FY 2024-25 Transportation Alternatives Program grant
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of the Sidewalk Improvement Project.
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Specifically, I note that the local commitment is a 20% match, plus the balance of estimated project costs over the maximum allowable of $3,125,000.
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Please explain for citizens why there would be any balance over the maximum allowable, particularly a material balance estimated
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Nelson County must have a comprehensive strategic and tactical plan regarding low-income housing
SPEAKER_02
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Next, we have, at the risk of mispronouncing the name, we'll have someone from 21 Apple Blossom Court.
SPEAKER_08
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That's me.
SPEAKER_02
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Okay, come on up.
SPEAKER_08
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Thank you for that.
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I'm Luke Olivier Jr., 21 Apple Blossom Court.
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We simply retired as of mid 30th after 40 years in financial services.
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and everyone specializing in project management.
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So this is the first time I'm attending this meeting in this town.
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The point of reference here is in reviewing the minutes from last meeting, I just get the sense that this committee is spending an excessive amount of time micromanaging this Sheriff's Office and their tasks.
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My proposal
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The sheriff offers the budget that they need to do that job operationally.
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You know, for example, you know, 1.5 million dollars to 3 million dollars for them per year.
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So that, and on a quarterly basis, they can give an update to this committee.
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The effort of this committee, micro-managing that work is counterproductive in my professional opinion.
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to close this in support of their effort as an owner in a three-year resident, purchase resident in that area at the top of the Willow State market and also at the top of the Willow State pricing.
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I can acknowledge the sheriff's office that I do see
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Irvin, with the inquest patrol, minimally on 151 and other areas.
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That is all.
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Thank you for your time.
SPEAKER_02
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Next, we have Mary Catherine Allen.
SPEAKER_00
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Mary Catherine Allen, 7763 Richmond Highway, Gladstone, 24553.
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Good afternoon.
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Thank you all for your time and your patience and the service that you provide to the county.
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I think overlooked by many people, but it is a lot of hard work, so I appreciate everything you do.
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Nelson County youth baseball was forced to shut down in 2022.
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After COVID, the registration numbers for our youth baseball program continued to decline to the point where we were unable to prove to make a team in any age group.
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Since then, our Nelson County kids have been forced to play in other places.
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Four of our Nelson County players are on the 12-U Amherst zone team.
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And last night, they won the Division II state championship.
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This is what every little boy dreams of and that's playing in the World Series.
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These young men have worked very hard this spring season and we want to give them to the World Series.
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We have a unique opportunity for these four student athletes.
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There are 11 on our team.
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This World Series is scheduled July 25th through the 31st and our first game is actually Thursday the 25th and we play Texas.
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The four young men here today are Steven Allen, Colton Gibson, Hayden Simpson, and Henry Wright.
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They have all been a part of youth baseball here in Nelson County since T-Ball.
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There are many of the Amherst students that are on the team who actually have family members that still reside here in Nelson County.
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During the district and state tournament, they were undefeated, beating out their opponents 78 to 9, which means they scored 78 runs and only allowed 9.
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They have put in the work through the heat and injuries to get to this point.
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We are asking for the Board of Supervisors to help these young men with financial donation.
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We are reaching out to local businesses.
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We are organizing fundraisers, but we are estimating this trip to cost approximately $2,500 per player, and that's minimum.
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That includes a hotel between 1,000 to 1,200, transportation and gas, which we're estimating between 600 and 800, and food to a minimum of 500.
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Actually, it's about 2,700, but we're just making it a full 25 at this point.
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We will be going to the Amherst County Board of Supervisors next week on the 16th for their meeting as well and ask for their support.
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We are leaving on Tuesday, July 23rd as of right now.
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and depending on how we do, the tournament is scheduled to be over by the 31st.
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We're hoping to still be standing on the 30th.
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These gentlemen have worked so hard and your financial support will provide an opportunity for them to see great competition and be successful out of our county and state borders.
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They are our Team Virginia now.
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Please help us get them there so that we're able to show us their very best.
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If you choose to make the donation, you can write the check to Amherst Youth Baseball.
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They are holding our funds for us.
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Do you have any questions?
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If not, thank you all so much for your time.
SPEAKER_02
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Thank you.
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All right.
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That is all for anyone signed up for public comments.
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Do we have anyone here who did not sign up that wishes to speak?
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If not, we will close the public comment section.
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Thank you all.
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All right.
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Next, we will move on to the consent agenda.
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Are there any items that board members would like to pull out separately?
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If not,
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I will entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented.
SPEAKER_04
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Mr. Chairman, I move that we approve the consent agenda as presented.
SPEAKER_02
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Do we have a motion?
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Do we have a second?
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I'll second.
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Any discussion?
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Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye.
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Aye.
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Chair votes aye.
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Consent agenda is approved.
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All right next we will move on to recognition and we will start with recognition of retiring treasurer Angela Hicks.
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Does that just want to go straight to me?
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Okay all right Angela if you could come up here please so we could recognize you.
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We do have an official resolution to read but I just want to start off by saying thank you for
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your years of dedicated service to the county and for in reading the resolution, as you all will hear in just a second, all of the work that you've done and the success that you've had with you and your staff.
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But I'll just jump right into the resolution.
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Resolution R 2024-50, Nelson County Board of Supervisors Resolution Recognizing the County Service of Angela F. Hicks.
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Whereas Mrs. Angela F. Hicks, Treasurer, is retiring as of August 1, 2024, after having served the citizens of Nelson County for more than 30 years.
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And whereas Mrs. Hicks began her employment with the county in the early 1990s, working part-time for Parks and Recreation, as well as the Commissioner of Revenues Office, before being hired by Treasurer J. Marvin Davis to work as a part-time office clerk in April 1993.
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She was then promoted to full-time in 1996, working her way up to Deputy Treasurer III and Chief Deputy I under Treasurer Armis Sue Harris, and then was successfully elected as Treasurer of Nelson County in November of 2011.
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and whereas Mrs. Hicks achieved excellence in her role as Treasurer by serving as an active member in the Treasurer's Association of Virginia, serving as the Central District Chair, as well as Chair of the Certification Review Committee.
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In 2014, Mrs. Hicks attained the designation of Master Governmental Treasurer from UVA's Weldon Cooper Center for Public Education and the Virginia Treasurer's Association, which was the first
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for the Nelson County Treasurer's Office.
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And whereas under the leadership of Mrs. Hicks, the Nelson County Treasurer's Office became accredited for the first time in 2015.
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Maintaining that accreditation to date and with the support of Mrs. Hicks, two of her three deputy treasures have also become certified as master governmental deputy treasures.
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and Whereas Mrs. Hicks has worked to add more convenient payment options for the Nelson County citizens, which include credit card payments, online payment, and a payment drop box at the courthouse entry to serve the citizens outside of regular office hours.
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And Whereas Mrs. Hicks has done an excellent job at managing the county's accounts and investments to carefully ensure the county's good standing for years to come.
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Now therefore be it resolved that the Nelson County Board of Supervisors does hereby honor Mrs. Angela F. Hicks with great appreciation for her dedicated and steadfast service to Nelson County and its citizens throughout her tenure.
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And be it further resolved that Mrs. Hicks will be missed both personally and professionally and the board wishes her and her family continued health, happiness, and prosperity upon her well-deserved retirement.
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Congratulations.
SPEAKER_15
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Thank you so much.
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Don't go anywhere.
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Just wait right there.
SPEAKER_02
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I second your motion.
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Very good.
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Do we have any discussion?
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Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying aye.
SPEAKER_04
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Aye.
SPEAKER_02
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Chair votes aye.
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And I believe we have, you got, okay.
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Don't forget what I told you.
SPEAKER_07
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Congratulations.
SPEAKER_02
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Okay I'm going to invoke executive privilege and make an adjustment to the agenda if that's all right with Mrs. McGarry.
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We are going to add recognition part two and we're going to recognize this baseball team one more time so first of all congratulations to you guys that's awesome.
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And I would like to open discussion from the board on the financial support for their trip to represent us at the World Series.
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So we'll open that up for you all.
SPEAKER_15
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Mr. Chairman, this has always been an honor and a privilege to have these young men come here.
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And of course, them going to represent us in places I ain't never been.
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But I would like to recognize us contributing to that.
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And I think last year we did.
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If I'm not mistaken, 5,000, correct?
SPEAKER_02
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Last time they went, yes.
SPEAKER_15
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And I think that's appropriate to do again this year.
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And I'm willing to make a motion to that effect if there's no further discussion.
SPEAKER_02
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All right, we have a motion.
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Do we have a second to sponsor the baseball team with a donation of $5,000?
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I'll second.
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All right, do we have any discussion?
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Hearing none, we'll have a roll call vote.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Very good.
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Congratulations.
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Thank you all.
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And represent us well.
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Thank you all for sticking around for a few more minutes.
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All right.
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Now we will move on to presentations.
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First, we have VDOT report.
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Mr. Brown.
SPEAKER_15
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Is 29 done?
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That was rough.
SPEAKER_13
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Save your questions till the end.
SPEAKER_15
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That was rough.
SPEAKER_13
00:26:11
I'm sure that was quite a ordeal, but I am glad they came on and did because right there at the intersection was the Schuyler Center.
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They did do some
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I'm very pleased that it turned out as well as it did right there.
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I don't know the schedule for the payment markets but that seems to take a little more time than it used to but overall I think the quality of what we're getting this year is great.
SPEAKER_02
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And they got the equipment out before the holiday weekend, so that was great.
SPEAKER_13
00:26:53
Yeah, we talked about that and that was a real initiative.
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They were taken off anyway.
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But just to give you a brief report, we have completed our primary mowing and of course after our primary mowing, we'd like to get our contractor back in here to do a little pickup on the roads that we have contracted.
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before they get up here, but that is underway.
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The pedestrian study, I thought I would have the results of that for, you know, 29 today, but I've not gotten that back from our traffic folks, but the struggle with the high speeds out there is what's taking them so long to figure out what to do to protect the pedestrians and not create beaucoup of secondary collisions when people
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I think David you called me about the site distance on Route 56 at Cal Holland down through there.
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We did go over there and do some hand trimming.
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Our boom action was, our machine was not in that area, but I hope you get that in that area as soon as we can.
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Other than that I don't have a whole lot to report on.
SPEAKER_02
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All right, anybody have questions for Mr. Brown?
SPEAKER_15
00:29:15
Yeah, a couple.
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We had, and I can't remember if this was discussed in a prior meeting or not, we made a directive about doing a speed study for 45 miles an hour along in 29.
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I recently got some more correspondence from the business at Outback complaining about pulling out and having some pretty near misses, especially people who are attempting to get in the left lane to make a left.
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Discuss prior, it would be, I think it's imperative at this point, as we've seen enough, especially between Lovingston all the way to that 56, you know, what we can do to slow down traffic on the 29 corridor here at Lovingston.
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I think we made a directive in February, January, I don't know.
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If you could look into that, there's a lot of those businesses along there having more and more potential incidents.
SPEAKER_13
00:30:17
Extending the 45.
SPEAKER_15
00:30:24
I think that would be probably the most reasonable.
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Maybe taking it right up to the end right after Outback before Stevens Cove.
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I think that would probably be the best stops part, so.
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So where would you want it?
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Where?
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Specifically the limits.
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More to the other side of the high school.
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That's a long, or all the way at the other end of the high school, 45.
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I don't know about that far.
SPEAKER_07
00:30:52
There's a lot of turn.
SPEAKER_13
00:30:53
Any comment maybe from Front Street?
SPEAKER_15
00:30:57
Well here's the deal, I would probably look at it starting at Orchard House going all the way to Stevens Cove in the interim and see what that study looks like.
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Because they also have kind of a tough
SPEAKER_13
00:31:22
I might have said that.
SPEAKER_15
00:31:24
I feel like you did.
00:31:25
I feel like you did.
00:31:27
I feel like there was, if it wasn't a directive, it was enough discussion about it being permanent.
00:31:33
It might have been January.
00:31:33
I think it was really early this year, so.
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And we also had that discussion about traffic safety.
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We also had Front Street and Main Street, yes.
SPEAKER_13
00:31:43
And that, we did not, that came back
SPEAKER_15
00:31:57
I think as we get into the Lovingston sidewalk improvements, obviously there might be some changing of dynamics that maybe we could revisit, if that makes sense.
00:32:12
So I'd like us to keep an open mind on that.
SPEAKER_02
00:32:14
Yeah, one thing that would be nice, especially at that section where Art of Nelson is and through there, is if
00:32:22
It wasn't just lines painted on the road saying no parking if there was a way to keep people from being able to park in that section because that visibility when you're looking north from either side of Front and Main, that visibility looking north is limited and people don't pay attention to the signs to the lines painted on the road.
00:32:42
And when someone's parked in that no parking zone, which happens a lot, it's dangerous.
00:32:47
It's dangerous.
SPEAKER_13
00:32:49
So if we could put some sort of physical... Is that something that could be designed into your project?
00:32:58
Yeah, I don't see why not.
00:32:59
Y'all's new project?
SPEAKER_15
00:33:00
I don't see why not.
00:33:01
I imagine we could share to put some
SPEAKER_13
00:33:07
Typically, when you do that, I guess it's technically classified as a village, right?
00:33:20
I know in towns, town councils restrict parking like that.
00:33:24
They get a lot of pushback from the businesses.
00:33:28
I don't know if you want to gauge that.
00:33:29
If that makes any difference, it might not make no difference.
00:33:31
We'll have some interactions with safety.
00:33:33
But I do want you to know there were zero accidents.
SPEAKER_02
00:33:42
It's because my brakes are really good.
SPEAKER_13
00:33:47
I've almost been involved in one, but fortunately I have the brakes.
SPEAKER_15
00:33:55
So, and yes, leading into that, Lovingston Sidewalk, I'm sure you guys are going to be, you'll have some participation in that as we get into the design aspects of the streets and safety.
SPEAKER_13
00:34:09
Make sure your consultant designer knows what you want.
00:34:12
Sure.
00:34:13
Because I mean, basically, we'll review and recommend, but make sure you're
00:34:21
We're just getting started now.
00:34:25
Alright, and then following up with that, obviously Whippoorwill, if you could let us know any more interactions you've had
00:34:45
We had a discussion about Gladstone speed reduction.
SPEAKER_07
00:35:09
So if you let me know what you find out with the new law.
00:35:15
And I'll get more clarification on what they were wanting besides for just the 15 miles per hour.
SPEAKER_13
00:35:21
Just as we talked, you know, law for law, I think the big issue would be how we're going to administrate and how the localities are going to administrate and what is it going to involve.
00:35:37
I think it is good to caution that whatever this board does over any locality,
00:35:45
Very good, I have nothing
SPEAKER_02
00:36:15
Thank you.
00:36:16
All right, next we have Larkin Property Water and Sewer Capacity Phase 1 Engineering Report.
00:36:38
You've met Mr. Steele before.
SPEAKER_06
00:36:41
He is the consultant hired to complete the
00:36:45
Larkin property water and sewer capacity analysis and also analyze the impacts to the Lovingston water and sewer system itself.
00:36:53
So he's here to present their findings and answer any questions.
SPEAKER_09
00:36:56
Appreciate the board having me back.
00:37:03
If you recall the last time that I
00:37:11
So that's what we've done.
00:37:15
I worked with Amanda and Candy.
00:37:21
We had a couple of meetings that included the service authority staff as well, and they have been provided with the information that you're going to get today as well as they are fairly important in this process as the water and sewer providers.
00:37:41
So I'm not going to get down in the weeds.
00:37:43
The report itself, I think, has been provided to you.
00:37:46
And you get a chance to digest that if you have any other questions that I don't address during this or today.
00:37:53
Absolutely get those over to Candy and Amanda, and I will get responses out to you promptly.
00:37:59
It's a lot to unload.
00:38:02
It's very engineering nerdy.
00:38:04
So I want you all as representatives of your county
00:38:13
So this is what I'm calling the master plan.
00:38:34
I don't want this to be construed as something that is all encompassing.
00:38:41
You can see in the white lettering, and I'll show you a list of this later, these are all of the things that we've identified as potential either new or additions and potential water and sewer demand centers.
00:38:57
So I've worked with your staff, looked at some previous master planning documents.
00:39:03
I do believe that some of you were asked if you had any other thoughts about items to add.
00:39:09
So in addition to the larding property, again, all of those areas have been included, and that all said and told equals 89,480 gallons a day of capacity requirement.
00:39:22
Now, as I move through this, you're going to find out that that is, I wouldn't call that subjective, but you can, I'm obviously going to use what we consider industry standard for the amount of gallons per day for each of the different
00:39:40
That means if you wanted me to tell you what you should plan for, that would probably be a safe number if you wanted to develop all of those items.
00:39:51
And as I mentioned before, this is how we came about how much water would be needed on the sewer and gallon per day side.
00:39:59
So I've got these lumped into three different categories.
00:40:02
We've got the Larkin property, which I'll show you a map of that here in a minute, which there are some areas that
00:40:11
Jason through that Larkin property.
00:40:14
I'm also treating the future recreation centers separately than the actual Larkin property sports complex because that in my mind is a pretty heavy lift in addition to fields and things of that nature.
00:40:29
So I'm gonna treat, and you can see it comes with a pretty substantial requirement for water as well.
00:40:36
Then we've got categories for North End of Lovingston, and you see the items that are included in that, and then also for the Culling area.
00:40:44
So those all, as you saw before, they're part of the 89,000, but they account for 52,180 gallons a day.
00:40:55
So focusing more closely on the actual parking property, this is the master planning document that
00:41:05
That could potentially be done with that site.
00:41:07
That doesn't mean that's set in stone, but my sports folks have looked at this, and that layout doesn't make sense for that arrangement of soccer and baseball slash softball fields.
00:41:21
You can also see in there, there's the impoundment that could potentially be there, as well as the water treatment plant facility, and then those west and east locations called future development.
00:41:32
We're assuming those to be some level of residential, whether that's single family, multifamily, et cetera.
00:41:42
So again, this is gonna set a baseline.
00:41:46
And as we move through and you decide how much investment is needed to get to each one of these activities, that will kind of drive maybe how you alter what's done on that piece of property.
00:41:59
So you can see on the left, I'm showing that the larger property itself for the facilities that are shown there, 61,000 gallons a day roughly.
00:42:08
I will show you what that includes in just a moment.
00:42:13
We talked about the future recreation center and then pull out the irrigation because I certainly would recommend that if you were going to invest a significant amount of money up front in any kind of turf.
00:42:28
I'm aware of, but we work on facilities all the time that choose not to do a turf that is high-irrigation-needy for this very reason.
00:42:38
I did a project down in the Abingdon area.
00:42:43
I'm familiar with that area.
00:42:46
It's a huge sports complex.
00:42:48
Eight soccer fields, I think 12 baseball fields.
00:42:53
Fantastic grass.
00:42:56
So keeping in mind, I think I heard somebody earlier say let's live in a reasonable world.
00:43:16
I think each area that I work, you have to take a hard swallow and say what is right for us and what is a great facility
00:43:25
But it's still within what we can manage and take care of.
00:43:29
And we can certainly help you with that as we move through the journey.
00:43:33
So I'll pull those out because I am not going to paralyze the ability to do something in this area because of 700,000 gallons a day of irrigation required.
00:43:46
So this is the Larkin property demand list.
00:43:50
And you can see through them down through here, I've got splash pad, there's an outdoor
00:43:54
Full Area, there's all kinds of things and those are industry standard water uses.
00:44:01
That doesn't mean you have to have all of those.
00:44:03
That doesn't mean that you have to provide that level of water to each one of them.
00:44:09
But that is, if we're gonna start somewhere, I think we should start all the way to the finish line and then decide what you don't want instead of starting with something that's fragmented and then we just keep piece milling.
00:44:22
So this tells you if we wanted to do it exactly the way everybody else does it in the industry, this is how much water you would allocate with each one of those activities.
00:44:32
And again, it doesn't mean that you may just want to start with a baseball field arrangement and a pavilion.
00:44:38
Maybe that's the right start and then we see how that works and make sure that the master plan shows everything so you don't build something on top of an area that later
00:44:48
could be readily used for another activity.
00:44:52
The essential meaning of a master plan is to make sure you don't do something that somebody later comes back and says, why in the world did they put the baseball field right there?
00:45:02
Now I can't do anything with the rest of it.
00:45:04
So let's think through and make sure we have a roadmap.
00:45:10
OK, so this is the engineering part.
00:45:13
And I love this slide because once I explain it to you, you're actually going to have everything that you need
00:45:28
on a single page, I can actually do that with very little effort.
00:45:33
So this essentially shows you, can I, am I standing up there talking, is that okay?
SPEAKER_12
00:45:40
I'll just keep, loud enough to keep being loud.
SPEAKER_09
00:45:44
So this gives you the entire picture for the water situation.
00:45:48
So there's two sources, there.
00:45:55
So there's two sources, there's groundwater,
00:46:03
Each one of these lines represents a difference.
00:46:07
Hi.
00:46:08
So the gray line is the demand in the Piney River area.
00:46:13
So that's allocated demand that you can't get to.
00:46:17
It already exists.
00:46:18
And what we did with each one of those demands, we went back three years and figured out what is the worst case demand for these areas so that we didn't cut anybody short.
00:46:27
Instead of all those three years, this is the most water that they've ever used.
00:46:31
And then I actually multiplied that by a peaking factor of 1.5.
00:46:35
Just to be sure that we're not taking water out of an existing system for a facility and then we start getting the shortage and we've overshot a little bit.
00:46:46
So this line is the existing groundwater capacity.
00:46:54
So that accounts for 50,000 gallons of available capacity.
00:46:58
Now if you want to get down to weeds and see what is actually the well could yield,
00:47:05
VDH doesn't let you take 100% of what a well can generate.
00:47:08
So I've taken that into account as well.
00:47:11
This 100,000 gallon line is what is available from the Black Creek surface water.
00:47:21
So that's an impoundment now.
00:47:23
So those two together are really what you've got to work with.
00:47:27
So if we don't
00:47:29
Expand your existing water capability at all.
00:47:33
This is what you've got right now.
00:47:38
The orange line is the peak Lovingston demand.
00:47:43
And then when you add all those together, this line tells you right now what existing demands are in your system.
00:47:52
121,459 gallons a day.
00:47:55
So this is what is here right now.
00:47:58
This is what you have available right now.
00:48:03
So without expansion of any of your sources, without dating more whales, without trying to figure out how to get DEQ to allow you to take more out of your surface water location, you have this much available in the water system.
00:48:18
I say that because if we project all of the growth I just talked about, this is that red line.
00:48:26
So the purpose of a master plan is twofold.
00:48:28
One, you make sure you have a road map that you're satisfied with that bridges multiple groups of leadership.
00:48:34
So if you all aren't here for the next 40 years and you want to make sure that what you do is a building block and others behind you can say, okay, let's see what they started.
00:48:45
Now let's keep moving with it.
00:48:47
That's one purpose.
00:48:49
The second is as leadership and desires from the community change,
00:48:55
If 21,000 gallons a day is what is reasonable from a financial standpoint right now, you better hit the mark when you use that 21,000 gallons up.
00:49:06
So if you've got something that is going to bring jobs in, and that trumps a recreation facility, you know in the back of your mind as leaders, right now, with that substantial investment, we have 20,000 gallons a day.
00:49:23
We have a couple of opportunities come in that are going to use that up.
00:49:27
You have to think hard, is this the right place to use that 21,000 gallon thing?
SPEAKER_07
00:49:33
So we're currently in a drought.
00:49:37
Is that taken into account too?
00:49:39
I mean, there's three creeks on our property that I've never seen run dry, and about a week and a half there will be.
SPEAKER_09
00:49:47
The good news is that the majority of the water
00:49:52
Well, not the majority, but the ground whales are rarely impacted by drought conditions.
00:49:59
The air tapping aquifers way below in a geologic structure that recharges much more quickly than the streams.
00:50:10
The impoundment as well in the same situation, we went back and looked at the worst drought
00:50:16
in history and actually, I forget how many years ago was it, Candy, that the drought actually drove... 2002?
00:50:29
Yeah, so in 2002, there was a drought so bad that this community chose to re-address how much water they're pulling out of that surface water and then reset a lower amount
00:50:41
to make sure that you never had any trouble.
00:50:44
So yes, and the long answer, we have taken that into account.
00:50:50
So this is the, I guess, the health of the current water availability, is that is
SPEAKER_15
00:50:59
You know just speaking offhand you know when as someone who's built housing for most of his entire life you know how many gallons per day and then just depends on the health of water and in Nelson County's context of aquifers we don't just have one we have thousands.
00:51:20
When you tap into one, you might not be in the same aquifer your neighbor's on.
00:51:26
So just kind of looking at 232,000, though that's a large number in actual practice of actual water production, that's actually not a hard feat.
00:51:37
It really isn't.
00:51:40
I just did one community where I had this simple 20-unit community, and I had more standards by the health department than I had 50-gallon wells.
00:51:50
50-gallon minutes of wells to satisfy 232,000 gallons a day with the assumption of impoundment.
00:51:57
I had only needed one or two wells just to kind of keep up with that.
00:52:03
So it's not as big as I imagined.
00:52:07
I was actually thinking two commas worth of gallons per day.
00:52:11
What expectations were.
SPEAKER_09
00:52:13
OK. And I'm going to talk about the possibility of expanding available water source.
SPEAKER_15
00:52:19
So yeah, OK. And I'll save up for that because I'm going to discuss wells versus reservoirs then if that's as simple as it is.
SPEAKER_09
00:52:25
That will be definitely addressed.
00:52:29
So any more questions on this slide?
SPEAKER_07
00:52:31
You got to know that that number is just the planned stuff.
00:52:33
If we have one industry, it's going to be a much larger number.
SPEAKER_15
00:52:37
Imagine if you're, whether it's a data center or any other entity that could reuse it as heavy water usage.
00:52:43
I think I have some friends out, is it Louisa where the nuclear facility is?
00:52:50
They talk about, you know, you talk about water usage, you know, nuclear facility that uses water.
00:52:55
And they say, yeah, that'll impact like a dozen aquifers in a 10 mile radius.
SPEAKER_09
00:53:00
Well, every time I do one of these for a community that has not
00:53:03
This is really eye-opening to understand what you have and what you need to move forward.
00:53:15
Where I get the most heartburn is when I'm
00:53:18
Coming after an economic development person has sold a 300-job facility, and I come in and say, it's gonna cost you 10 million to get the utilities there, and everybody's like, we were so happy, and we're not happy, whose fault is this?
00:53:34
So let's not go there and know what you've got moving forward.
00:53:40
So the sewer sign is much less bleak.
00:53:43
I'll say, I don't think anything's bleak, but this gives you a picture
00:53:48
All of the things that we're talking about, we're only short meeting being able to treat all that development we talked about by about 8,700 gallons a day.
00:54:01
So I'm not as concerned about the sewer and the ability to treat that as an underwater source.
00:54:10
And again, I think you made a good point.
00:54:12
If other things present themselves, I've done my best to try to show what we know about right now.
00:54:21
But if you're going to start maybe considering active economic development recruitment, then I think that number is well short of what you may want to shoot for, for any significant amount of water used or type of development.
00:54:38
So we go to what does the board desire moving forward?
00:54:45
And one thing that we do a lot of is well development on site.
00:54:53
And this is a image on the bottom left of what we generate from a resistivity analysis.
00:55:00
And you do that by sending signals through the ground
00:55:07
and an array, a honeycomb array and this gives you a cross sectional reference of what the geologic formation looks like.
00:55:16
We would do this on the Larkin property and we would actually use that to site where there's a very high probability for a significant water source.
00:55:27
So instead of the stick they carry around?
00:55:31
I've got a good story on that thing.
00:55:35
My specialist, he hates this, but he did a study and he cited his locations and I got one of her surveyors who used to
00:55:51
out of the loop and just said, I'm not even going to put you in the right location.
00:55:55
You tell me where the three best places were.
00:55:58
He hit them all within a foot.
00:56:01
Within a foot.
00:56:03
And literally, the twig, it just turns down.
00:56:09
We ain't got to pay all this money.
00:56:10
We could just go out there to some April branches.
00:56:13
It's easy for me
00:56:19
This will also give us a decent idea on depth which is obviously the critical cost of a well development so this option was something you wanted to proceed with
00:56:45
We would site where and how many potential well locations are on that property and then work with local and other well drillers to get some pricing to do a test well.
00:57:00
Not a fully developed VDH well because that's where the money comes in.
00:57:07
But you do a test well, you can do a drawdown test to see how many gallons of man you've got, and you can do water quality testing to see if we're going to have to treat
00:57:16
The majority of the wells in this area don't really need anything other than chlorine, and if that's what kind of aquifer we hit, then you don't have to bail the treatment facility.
00:57:26
You just inject it with chlorine, make sure we have attention time, it goes into the system.
00:57:31
It's a cost-effective way to generate an additional water source by far.
00:57:36
Also at that point, if you find out that a couple of them have things like manganese or iron,
00:57:41
That's a whole treatment process and maybe at that point you haven't spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and you have to have a sanity check to see if you really want to treat water that's going to require a treatment plan.
00:57:53
So that's one option.
00:57:56
Any questions about that potential option?
00:58:01
The aquifers are very strong in this area.
00:58:04
So that's the one that we think is very reasonable.
00:58:10
The other is a little more.
00:58:12
It's the idea that we impound Hiller Creek.
00:58:16
The left and right pictures are actual pictures of Hiller Creek and the bottom I felt was most appropriate of what you would want that impoundment to potentially look like with trails and recreational support around that.
00:58:32
Here is my professional opinion about an impoundment.
00:58:38
If I start tomorrow, it will take me two years to get the permit, if they will even let you permit.
00:58:45
The very first thing that I would recommend, if you wanted to consider this, we would have to make sure we have flow data that DEQ will honor, and they want to know what that flow is in the worst flow conditions over a year's period of time, which is usually
00:59:07
Again, they're gonna let 90% of that pass by.
00:59:11
You're only gonna be able to retain 10% of it.
00:59:15
Doesn't matter how big you make the impoundment, whatever's coming out of the bottom of that impoundment has to be 90% of that lowest flow volume.
00:59:27
So if we did that, I would call desktop
00:59:30
Study, I can come back and say, this is all you're going to be able to get out of that stream.
00:59:38
Do you want to spend millions of dollars to impound that if that's all you're going to be able to draw from?
00:59:44
I think I could probably reasonably give you that number without spending a pile of money.
00:59:50
In my opinion, that's the first thing you need to know.
00:59:53
Can we pull enough out of that stream to even justify creating an impounding situation?
01:00:01
And then you've got the wells also that are not a huge monetary investment to see if that's what you want to get going on that property.
01:00:12
So short of bringing back unpractical, spending more of your money doing engineering stuff, these two are the ones that I think make the most sense and the ones that should be considered by this board and your staff.
01:00:33
Just a clarifying question.
SPEAKER_04
01:00:48
You know where the existing wells are and you know
01:00:52
You know, what capacity they can continue to produce.
01:00:57
When you were considering locations for subsequent wells, did you limit it to the Larkin property, or did you kind of leave that amorphous?
01:01:05
So it depends on where and how we decide to site them.
SPEAKER_09
01:01:11
It does.
01:01:12
I have my thought.
01:01:14
Now it's limited to the Larkin property only because obviously you have full control of that property.
01:01:20
That's one thing.
01:01:22
But we're also going to want to be mindful that we're not impacting other whales when we generate new whales.
01:01:31
So I think, as Rutherford said earlier, you can tap into the same aquifer and have three or four whales in that.
01:01:41
And if you go drawdown test on one and monitor the other, you see the level in that drop, then you've clearly got multiple whales tapped into the same aquifer.
01:01:51
I would like to avoid that as much as possible.
SPEAKER_15
01:01:53
That's a hairline of a chance.
SPEAKER_09
01:01:55
It is.
01:01:56
It is.
01:01:57
But I think the reason is that one of the things that I will do, and that's a good point, we can look at the geologic formations without doing any kind of invasive investigation.
01:02:10
And we can see if there are certain areas not specific to the Larkin property.
SPEAKER_04
01:02:15
I'm not insinuating that we should try to find the biggest bang for our buck in terms of getting the largest seam we can find.
01:02:29
I'm not really advocating for that.
01:02:30
I think your point's well taken that if we do limit it to a property that the county already owns and the Larkin property is going to be a piece of whatever size of that.
01:02:45
You know that the Larkin property may be the best place to do that but that's again something that is beyond my pay grade.
SPEAKER_09
01:02:51
And I think it's fair to be diligent and not if we look at the Larkin property for some reason the fracture trace intersection looks horrendous that may not even be the best location area I think that's due diligence to make sure we're not throwing money something that doesn't make any sense.
01:03:09
I think in the same light
01:03:14
We see that there are glowing fracture trace intersections somewhere other than the Larkin property.
01:03:20
We don't need to ignore them.
01:03:23
So a desktop study of where we would do the resistivity testing would be probably one of the first things that we did before we started putting money into an area.
01:03:35
So if that's something that the board wants to proceed with, I just need some direction.
SPEAKER_07
01:03:40
What's the cost on these options?
SPEAKER_09
01:03:44
Well, I don't have a number hammered out now because most of the people I work with, the number I hear, I'd say that's the one they hear from the end of time.
01:03:56
I need some feedback.
01:03:58
And I'd even, I'd offer as well to Candy if a work session with me with some real costs so I can have a little more interaction with the board would be
SPEAKER_07
01:04:14
Wasn't I under the impression that the service authority was doing some sort of water impoundment study?
01:04:22
Or was that based on him doing his thing?
01:04:26
So no one's working on that.
SPEAKER_15
01:04:32
I'll be honest with you, when it comes to any land acquisition that I've ever made, one of the first things I try to do is I just drill a well and see if I have water.
01:04:41
If I have a hard well time, I decide whether I'm going to build on it or not.
01:04:44
And it's not, it is not cheap to drill a well, but truthfully, in the scale of, you know, doing a bunch of other stuff, I mean, the one thing I know the average well driller in Nelson County might not be able to do is to do this Diller Creek drawdown of the creek to see how much water capacity that is and do that predictive stuff.
01:05:02
However, as a county, we could, I mean, in my mind, you know what I'd do?
01:05:05
I'd go get three well drillers all from Nelson County.
01:05:08
We'd go out there with the finest sticks and flip some coins
01:05:11
Drill a few wells, and we're going to find out pretty quickly where those high producing aquifers are.
01:05:19
And I would imagine that expertise might not exist, obviously, for the surface water aspect of it.
01:05:26
And that's what I would do.
01:05:28
And it would probably cost less than $20,000 just to drill a couple wells with no pumps, just do drawdown tests.
SPEAKER_09
01:05:35
And if you want me to support that in any capacity as far as what sampling I would like to see,
SPEAKER_15
01:05:42
I'm just speaking pragmatically from the well side of things.
01:05:45
You've got a lot of land.
01:05:46
We've got a lot of different places we can drop wells in.
01:05:50
Hiring a few locals just to do that and show up.
01:05:53
We've already drilled wells around there because they've seen the vein of rock that goes this way.
01:05:59
I can tell you this.
01:06:00
One area I built some duplexes and this side of the vein was four gallons a minute.
01:06:05
This side of the vein was 50.
01:06:07
And you know what he said?
01:06:08
We're staying over here.
01:06:10
And anecdotally, that was great.
01:06:12
You know, we produce 20 and 30 gallon minimum wells.
01:06:15
So, you know, maybe there's some well drillers who've already drilled around Stevens Cove and can say, I hit X rock at 250 feet.
01:06:22
We don't want to be on this side of it.
01:06:25
You know,
01:06:26
That's where my mind would go if we're looking at just doing regular old drainage wells.
01:06:33
But the one thing that, again, they don't probably have the expertise to do is this drawdown test for the creek and see what that aspect is.
01:06:42
And trying to figure out the 80,000 gallon per day aspect, that's not a huge feat.
01:06:47
It really isn't.
01:06:48
That's three good wells.
SPEAKER_07
01:06:52
For DEQ, how recent does the
01:06:56
Findings have to be on the application.
01:06:59
Like say we do tests and we don't get around to it for three years, but they want this done again.
SPEAKER_09
01:07:05
It'll give you more time, maybe two years.
01:07:09
I can find out for sure what that number is.
SPEAKER_07
01:07:11
And I would like to know the cost of what you're going to test.
SPEAKER_09
01:07:14
And we may be able to find areas that have certified gauge locations.
01:07:23
Sometimes they already exist, and DEQ acknowledges those.
01:07:31
for a significant amount of time, and that's a different story.
01:07:36
So I will find out, one, if there are gauges that we already have data that they will honor, and that's the simplest going back through, and finding the lowest flow in the lowest part of the year.
01:07:47
That's a much smaller cost than if we have to actually bring equipment up here and put a meter on it so that we can actually read it for multiple months.
SPEAKER_04
01:08:02
We have more stuff to discuss.
01:08:07
Didn't spend much time on the sewer capacity aspect of it.
01:08:14
Can you give a little bit of an overview of how that existing capacity might be achieved?
SPEAKER_09
01:08:20
You want to go beyond what?
01:08:35
You're only 8,700 gallons a day short of being able to treat everything when we were much further away on the water side.
01:08:47
So what that means is as you generate development, if we find the wells, you're going to be able to generate, you're going to be able to do 67,600 gallons a day worth of sewer creation
01:09:03
Before you have to figure out what you're going to do to expand that.
01:09:08
Expansion of the sewer is not, I wouldn't say it's easier, it's not easier, but it's simpler from a planning standpoint because now you're looking at expansion of the plant.
SPEAKER_04
01:09:21
Expansion as opposed to additional plant.
SPEAKER_09
01:09:28
Well that's something that the service authority would have some
SPEAKER_04
01:09:58
Good ideas about what that next step might look at and then, you know, PERs and all those kind of things.
01:10:07
But just wanted to go back and look at that as well so I could feel like we had both sides.
SPEAKER_09
01:10:14
So you have much more capacity availability on the sewer side than you do on the water side.
01:10:27
as a motor bank to get three times as much wastewater capacity as you do water existing capacity.
01:10:45
Okay.
SPEAKER_02
01:10:45
Anything else?
SPEAKER_09
01:10:47
Questions?
01:10:47
I hope that hit the mark at least somewhat on what the board was looking for.
01:10:53
Yes, sir.
01:10:53
Please.
SPEAKER_02
01:11:00
Yes, ma'am?
SPEAKER_06
01:11:01
For Mr. Steele.
01:11:02
So I think something that was in the more detailed report I guess suggested that I&I could have an impact on the sewer capacity, like potentially the Lovingston sewer project to reduce the I&I, which would possibly maybe wouldn't mitigate its deficit.
SPEAKER_09
01:11:25
Very well could, absolutely.
01:11:29
It's not the point where we've done post-flow monitoring on that yet.
01:11:34
So all of these uses are based on pre-I&I capital projects.
01:11:42
So once we know what those numbers are, we do our baseline flow testing for I&I projects.
01:12:01
I do have one other comment if you don't mind real quick.
01:12:15
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_06
01:12:27
I just wanted to say for the public that may not have been following our Larkin property master planning, there's some reference to housing components, future development, and other things.
01:12:40
And that's pretty much just still in the formative stages.
01:12:44
Nothing has been determined as far as what those future development areas would look like.
01:12:50
We did just pass along information related to the potential number of lots that could go in those areas just for this estimating purposes for water capacity and sewer capacity.
01:13:05
Just wanted to make that clear for those who are just tuning in and may have seen that and thought, oh, they're gonna put a housing development there.
01:13:13
But I just wanted to sort of clarify that for everyone.
SPEAKER_02
01:13:17
Yep, good point.
SPEAKER_09
01:13:18
It is a blank palette at this point.
01:13:21
I've just got to start somewhere and give an idea of what different uses may have from on-demand.
SPEAKER_15
01:13:29
One thing that was interesting that I saw in your sewer capacity, and I'm looking at the gallons per day of the wells.
01:13:36
These are really low wells, four gallons a minute, five gallons a minute.
01:13:42
When you start marking those numbers, that's not reality in a lot of cases.
01:13:47
It is for a lot of people.
01:13:48
But in a lot of places in Nelson County, I mean, you have good producing water.
01:13:53
And I think advocate of wells.
01:13:56
That's all I'm saying.
01:13:57
It's a really affordable, easy way to get water in our context.
01:14:03
I just didn't realize they were that low.
SPEAKER_02
01:14:07
How deep were they?
01:14:08
They do not.
01:14:09
What was the average depth on those wells?
SPEAKER_09
01:14:15
I've got all that information.
01:14:16
I can get that over.
SPEAKER_15
01:14:17
That's all right.
SPEAKER_09
01:14:28
Okay, I'm not listening to you guys with the whale stuff and if that looks like it's overkill and three locals going out there and not popping some holes is the right choice, I'm here to
SPEAKER_02
01:14:58
One last question I do have and this might be very elementary but I know you commented about the new reservoir with water treatment plant and being cost prohibitive plus the permitting and all that.
01:15:15
Is that the same summary if that location was looked at not as a source of water but just a source of water recreation?
01:15:27
would it still be prohibitive and permitting if we just wanted to have...
SPEAKER_09
01:15:41
D.Q.
01:15:42
to allow you to pull a certain amount of water out of this.
SPEAKER_02
01:15:46
So it's two different animals.
01:15:48
It is.
SPEAKER_09
01:15:48
And then you're still looking at permeating.
01:15:49
You're still going to have to make sure that you follow all the applicable rules to make sure Dillard Creek still flows through.
01:15:55
If you want to do a fair amount of testing for wildlife to make sure there's not any endangered species, and you may have to relocate some certain things,
01:16:10
You're talking about making like a swimming lake or something of that nature, and that's a different piece altogether than you're going to pull it out and treat it and let people consume it.
SPEAKER_02
01:16:20
Right.
01:16:20
OK.
SPEAKER_09
01:16:21
It's a non-poddle versus a poddle.
01:16:22
Yeah.
01:16:23
Two different works.
SPEAKER_02
01:16:24
OK.
01:16:25
Very good.
01:16:26
Any other questions?
01:16:29
Thank you.
01:16:29
Thank you.
01:16:29
Very good information for us to have.
01:16:32
We look forward to meeting with you again.
01:16:33
OK. All right.
01:16:42
Let's take a five minute break and then we'll come back and work on new and unfinished business.
01:16:55
All right, we will resume this meeting and next up we have new and unfinished business, body worn camera MOU with Commonwealth Attorney R. 2024-51.
SPEAKER_06
01:17:08
I'm going to speak to this item, and we have Eric Law here to fill in any blanks and answer any questions that you might have.
01:17:18
As you've seen in your package, we have a resolution for you to consider.
01:17:21
It's 2024-51.
01:17:23
It describes how, in 2019, the state's budget language contained language that, because of the body-worn cameras used by the Sheriff's Department and other agencies,
01:17:38
They were providing for an Assistant Commonwealth Attorney or in lieu of that, you could establish a memorandum of understanding with your Commonwealth Attorney for other funding as a means to address all the body and work camera footage that would need to be reviewed.
01:17:55
So since 2019, in lieu of hiring an additional Assistant Commonwealth Attorney here in Nelson,
01:18:00
We have maintained an MOU with Commonwealth Attorney's Office providing additional local funding to accommodate the additional workload resulting from the requirements review, redact, and present footage from body-worn cameras.
01:18:15
Commonwealth Attorney's Office wishes to amend the existing memorandum of agreement with the county to increase the amount of local funding provided in FY 25 to $57,318.
01:18:27
This is an increase of $25,000 from the FY24 MOU of $32,318.
01:18:34
And because these are unbudgeted local funds, this request is coming to you all for consideration.
01:18:42
So I should note that beginning July 1, 2024,
01:18:47
The minimum comp more salary for another Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney is $75,705.
01:18:54
So it is still a better deal to provide the supplemental funding to the Commonwealth's Attorney's Office.
01:19:02
So I would recommend favorable consideration of the resolution if you are so inclined.
01:19:13
Well, first, I suppose, do you have any questions
SPEAKER_02
01:19:16
And from what I'm seeing, the difference in the request versus the comp board salary for an assistant Commonwealth's attorney is just over $18,000 difference.
SPEAKER_07
01:19:34
Is there a point where there's so much video footage that we will have to go to a full-time person?
01:19:43
I mean, we have more deputies.
01:19:44
We have more staff.
SPEAKER_06
01:19:45
Yeah, I can't speak to that.
01:19:46
And so I can speak to how much footage they're actually reviewing.
SPEAKER_03
01:19:49
I can maybe address that.
01:19:51
And I think that's part of the reason for the request change.
01:19:54
We're getting a lot more footage than we were about a year ago, to be frank with this board.
01:20:01
I mean, there's an ethical opinion out there that says we have to watch every minute.
01:20:05
And it's fine if there's one deputy on traffic stop.
01:20:09
But now that we're fully staffed, there might be three deputies on DUI.
01:20:13
and not every single minute is entirely important, but I still have to watch it.
SPEAKER_14
01:20:17
So to answer your question, if there may be a point where that becomes necessary, we're not yet at that point.
SPEAKER_03
01:20:24
If we are, it's probably gonna be a few years down the road, but yeah.
01:20:29
That's a big part of it, additional big part of it is, you know, most citizens interact with the police on traffic stops, speeding, reckless driving by speed, things like that, and we have seen a massive uptick in the general district court docket
01:20:43
And frankly, I have been spending most of my time with the Wintergreen police officer murder case.
01:20:49
And when I'm in general district court stuck in this, primarily with this position would be stuck dealing with speeding tickets, it's hard for me to devote the necessary time.
01:20:59
So that's part of the request.
01:21:01
But to answer your question, there may be a time we're not there yet.
01:21:06
Thank you.
01:21:06
You all have any other questions while I'm up here?
SPEAKER_02
01:21:09
Anybody?
01:21:11
No, thank you.
SPEAKER_06
01:21:15
I'll just add, too, if we do not have a position, we also don't have the benefit costs as well.
01:21:23
So that's another area of savings.
SPEAKER_02
01:21:25
Another savings.
01:21:27
Very good.
01:21:28
All right, what's the pleasure of the board?
SPEAKER_07
01:21:30
I move that we
01:21:38
Vote in Resolution R. 2024-51, Nelson County Board of Supervisors increasing local funding for F. 525, Body of One Camera memorandum of understanding Commonwealth's Attorney's Office.
SPEAKER_02
01:21:51
All right.
01:21:51
We have a motion.
01:21:52
Do we have a second?
01:21:53
I'll second.
01:21:54
All right.
01:21:55
We have a motion and a second.
01:21:56
Any discussion?
01:21:59
Hearing none, we'll have a roll call vote.
01:22:01
Amanda?
SPEAKER_07
01:22:02
Mr. Rutherford?
01:22:02
Yes.
01:22:03
Dr. Liggett?
01:22:04
Yes.
01:22:04
Mr. Reed?
01:22:05
Yes.
SPEAKER_02
01:22:06
Mr. Parr?
01:22:06
Yes.
01:22:08
Very good.
01:22:10
Thank you.
01:22:12
Alright, next we have Sheriff's Department request.
SPEAKER_06
01:22:17
I'm going to introduce this item and then Sheriff Embrey can also come up and speak to this request.
01:22:25
The first one has to do with a Sheriff's Department grant opportunity for the Sheriff's Department that would help them achieve office accreditation.
01:22:36
We did
01:22:37
get some revised budgetary information just prior to the meeting today that adjusts Sheriff Embrey's request.
01:22:47
So let me give you that information here.
01:22:51
Resolution 2024-52 speaks to approval of this request.
01:22:58
They have a DCGS grant opportunity that will provide 75 percent federal funding and it requires a 25 percent local cash match.
01:23:08
Since this is a new grant and the cash match is unbudgeted, this is coming before you also for approval.
01:23:18
The original request was
01:23:22
The 75% federal funding was $69,117, which required a 25% local cash match of $23,039.
01:23:29
The revised grant would provide for $30,720 in federal funding, which would require a $10,240 cash match.
01:23:45
for a total amount of $40,960.
01:23:47
The reason for that is the original grant requested a full-time position, and it has since been revised for Sheriff Embrey to incorporate a part-time position.
01:24:04
So I will turn it over to Mr. Embrey to answer any questions you might have about this request.
SPEAKER_14
01:24:14
It's a pleasure to be here in front of you today.
01:24:16
I spoke privately during the break with the gentleman that's seated behind me.
01:24:21
I just want to publicly thank him on record for the very kind words he illustrated earlier today during the public comments.
01:24:26
It means a lot that what we're doing in the community is being noticed by members of the community.
01:24:31
So again, thank you very much, sir.
01:24:33
As Ms. McGarry stated, our office is in the process.
01:24:37
We want to pursue accreditation standards.
01:24:40
I heard earlier during
01:24:42
the recognition for the treasure of Ms. Hicks that her office had obtained that status several years ago under her tenure.
01:24:52
My office is seeking the same
01:24:55
I believe that we need to achieve in this county to illustrate professionalism the way that we go about doing things.
01:25:01
I'm very proud of our office now, but there's more that we can do and I believe that this accreditation process is the first step in that direction.
01:25:09
As Ms. McGarry had illustrated, we had submitted a grant earlier this year to DCJS for several things.
01:25:24
That was for an employee that we would bring in for a newly created position that would handle accreditation management.
01:25:31
That is something that every agency needs whether it's from a civilian standpoint or whether it's from active personnel.
01:25:38
Since putting in for that position online, our office has been able to identify an individual that is qualified and I believe is a better fit for us in a part-time capacity.
01:25:51
That individual is
01:25:55
is working on getting another law enforcement agency similar in size to our agency South of here accredited.
01:26:03
She comes very highly recommended to our department through DCJS, which will be the auditor for this accreditation process.
01:26:10
In doing so,
01:26:13
I believe that the part-time, we did amend this, which we found out today through DCJS.
01:26:18
We are waiting on final approval.
01:26:22
The reduction in numbers reflects the full-time status versus the part-time status.
01:26:26
The plan is this.
01:26:28
This grant, it became effective.
01:26:30
We were awarded this back in June.
01:26:32
It became effective as of July 1, so it's already in process if we do accept it.
01:26:37
This is our 15-month tenure.
01:26:40
This employee, if approved by you all today, is ready to go and ready to start work.
01:26:45
My plan and intentions are to allow her to work in a part-time capacity, at which time she's not only getting her office up to date with standards through
01:26:57
And she is also in the process of training one of our current employees, one of our civilians, to take over this tenure at the end of this grant.
01:27:06
So again, I want to preface that I am not looking to continue this after 15 months.
01:27:12
The candidate that is here today that I believe can get this job achieved for us is not from the Virginia area.
01:27:19
She is a Liberty University student that can give us the part-time capacity physically being in this building
01:27:29
back to her state.
01:27:30
So I believe given 15 months, we can get to where we need to be.
01:27:36
And she will have her full-time employee trained who is currently on payroll that can take over the duties that need to be done so that we can maintain this accreditation status.
01:27:47
So that is the direction that I believe we need to go.
01:27:50
It saves this body and this community money while giving us the maximum
01:27:58
The advantages of being accredited and the future is very big for us if we were able to achieve this status so as far as grant money and future things that we need for this agency in this community so that is the direction I'm happy to answer any questions that any of you may have.
SPEAKER_04
01:28:16
So that all makes good sense to me and I think it's a great initiative and thank you for bringing it to us.
01:28:24
Do we have to amend the resolution with the different amounts of money or do we accept them here and then do some sort of payback?
01:28:32
How does that all work?
SPEAKER_14
01:28:40
As far as the logistics of that, I would have to get further clarification either from the DCJS representative or...
SPEAKER_06
01:28:49
So the resolution you have, the 2024-52, you could approve it as presented and amended, and we can fill in the correct numbers if you're comfortable with that, or we can go through the lines and I can give you the correct numbers.
01:29:08
to go in right now.
01:29:09
I've basically read them earlier.
SPEAKER_04
01:29:13
So your recommendation is we approve this amended resolution?
SPEAKER_02
01:29:19
Yes.
01:29:21
Yes, sir.
01:29:21
I know you mentioned them earlier, just if you don't mind.
SPEAKER_06
01:29:25
Sure.
01:29:26
Oh, OK.
01:29:28
So the new federal funding amount for a grant we would be accepting would be $30,720.
01:29:34
The required 25% local match of that is $10,240 for a total grant amount of $40,960.
SPEAKER_02
01:29:44
So that's changing the $92,000 is now $40?
01:29:53
Yes.
01:29:53
And then the local match is $10,000 down from $23,000?
01:29:57
Correct.
01:29:58
Okay.
SPEAKER_06
01:30:01
where it resolved, the local cash match there would also change to 10,240.
SPEAKER_02
01:30:05
10,240.
01:30:06
Yes, sir.
01:30:09
Everybody clear on the changes, the amendments that we're going to propose?
SPEAKER_07
01:30:15
You have complete faith that a part-time person, a college student, part-time person is going to get this done for you?
SPEAKER_14
01:30:25
I do with the fact that it's currently being done at another locality here in central Virginia.
01:30:31
And again, I have full faith that a ranking official within DCJS actually reached out and referred that, so yes.
SPEAKER_07
01:30:40
That's a lot.
SPEAKER_02
01:30:44
All right, so any other comments from the board?
01:30:47
If not, I will entertain a motion that we approve Resolution R 2024-52.
01:30:50
Do you have something to add?
SPEAKER_03
01:30:53
No.
SPEAKER_02
01:30:53
Nelson County Board of Supervisors, Department of Criminal Justice Services, DCJS, Grant Acceptance, Sheriff's Department accreditation.
01:31:03
Do we have a second?
01:31:06
Any discussion?
01:31:10
Hearing none, we'll have a roll call vote.
SPEAKER_07
01:31:14
Yes.
SPEAKER_02
01:31:16
Yes.
SPEAKER_15
01:31:18
Very good.
01:31:20
And then the second one, I have a few questions with staff after.
SPEAKER_02
01:31:23
OK. Next, we have resolution R2024-53.
01:31:28
Ms. McGarry or Sheriff Emory, who's up?
01:31:32
I can go first.
SPEAKER_06
01:31:36
OK. Just a little bit of background on this.
01:31:42
In August of 2017,
01:31:45
The Board of Supervisors approved a policy change to the application of local salary supplements for constitutional offices.
01:31:53
Sheriff Embrey is asking for another policy amendment related to this August 2017 policy.
01:32:04
Basically what he's asking for is, well let me back up.
01:32:09
So at that time the Board approved the use of any vacancy savings for
01:32:15
for attraction at the time of new employees.
01:32:24
Mr. Sheriff Embrey is asking to also be able to use those funds for retention.
01:32:29
So that just involves amending the current policy to read that upon termination from employment of a compensation board employee with an earned supplement,
01:32:41
Budgeted Supplement Funds may be applied to the salaries of new hires as a means of recruitment or to the salaries of existing employees as a means of retention.
01:32:50
That last piece is the new part, the means of retention.
01:32:57
That is this request and it's reflected in R 2024-53.
SPEAKER_15
01:33:04
Just a couple questions as this relates to PACE studies and all that.
01:33:10
This would be the supplemental funding in the event someone who's receiving, let's just say, $10,000 of supplemental funding, he would then have full discretion to redistribute that as he saw fit, right, essentially?
01:33:27
How does that discretion come down?
01:33:28
Because I know the PACE, we just did the PACE study, so that's why I'm trying to understand how this can fit both those things.
SPEAKER_06
01:33:36
All right, so yes, basically it would allow him to use those funds within the fiscal year that they were generated to either attract a new person or if you had an employee, let's say that said, hey, I've gotten an offer from a neighboring county, you know, I want to go to work for them.
01:33:55
He could use whatever supplement differential he might have from a vacancy to retain that person.
SPEAKER_15
01:34:03
I guess the only thing and again I'm supportive of doing this I'm just thinking of instances obviously Angie Hicks who's been part of the county for 30 years she has 30 years of county supplements does I'm speaking hypothetically so does
SPEAKER_06
01:34:30
Is there a way to break that up?
SPEAKER_15
01:35:00
Because would that potentially mean some county staff?
01:35:09
I could see a scenario, and I'm just talking out loud, I'm not going to happen to you Mr. Embrey, where I could see constitutional officers foregoing hiring some people in an effort to utilize the supplement funding.
01:35:26
Does that make sense?
01:35:27
County supplement funding?
01:35:28
Because they could potentially do that.
SPEAKER_06
01:35:32
What are the uses of supplemental funding?
SPEAKER_04
01:35:39
What's the range of uses that can go towards?
SPEAKER_06
01:35:41
So right now it's able to be used to attract a new employee.
01:35:48
You have a new employee coming in.
01:35:50
You have say $2,000 from a previous employee that left at a higher salary.
01:35:55
Then you can use those funds to up their salary offer.
01:36:01
But it has to be done within the fiscal year those savings are generated.
01:36:04
That's the other piece of it.
SPEAKER_07
01:36:10
So there's no potential of an employee getting a raise, essentially.
01:36:17
They continue getting that raise the next year, but then we hire that position back.
01:36:23
at another constitutional decision.
01:36:27
So in the end, we're out whatever that raise was for the following year.
SPEAKER_15
01:36:34
Does that make sense?
01:36:34
Typically, the county would realize unused supplements the following year or immediately, hypothetically.
SPEAKER_06
01:36:44
Correct.
01:36:45
They don't get used, and they go back into the general fund.
01:36:48
They're not used.
SPEAKER_15
01:36:50
Yeah.
01:36:50
And I'm trying to figure out.
01:36:54
How is it that we can attract these specific individuals and maybe if you do have that outlier, I've done this in my own business, like if I have an outlier, like yeah, I have this range, but wow, this person, I'm gonna do X now.
01:37:07
How does that exist in the context of local governments is an interesting one to figure out.
SPEAKER_04
01:37:16
Interesting, okay.
01:37:20
In subsequent years, supplemental funding would not enter into the equation because that would then become part of their base salary.
01:37:31
So it would be a recurring cost to the county at that time.
SPEAKER_06
01:37:34
Yes.
01:37:34
Yes.
01:37:35
I mean, when the positions vacated, it was a recurring cost at that time.
01:37:40
So it just means that.
01:37:42
Status going forward if it's utilized.
SPEAKER_07
01:37:45
Are you understanding my concern that it's actually a higher recurring cost if they hire back?
01:37:51
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_06
01:37:53
Yes, but they would only have so much salary available to them to do that.
SPEAKER_07
01:38:01
So these people are getting a pay bump, but the next year on July 1st, they could get a demotion, essentially.
SPEAKER_15
01:38:07
No, if it's vacant, if there's a vacant position.
SPEAKER_06
01:38:12
It would be more of a shifting of funds, so it doesn't really create necessarily an increase.
SPEAKER_15
01:38:20
So the county realistically, let's imagine that person stays, hypothetically, the one who's left.
01:38:29
Basically that salary just follows that position now.
01:38:33
And that other position
01:38:36
Over here, I guess, it really, the budget wouldn't change at all.
01:38:42
It's just where the, what would be changing for the county is not realizing that supplement back to the county.
01:38:50
And that is typically historic.
SPEAKER_07
01:38:52
No, I guess my concern is, so you and I are on fire, left, whatever it is, you get, let's say 10K more a year, a year, okay?
01:39:05
So now instead of getting paid $60,000, you're getting paid $70,000.
SPEAKER_15
01:39:09
Beyond the pay stuff, yes.
SPEAKER_07
01:39:11
So then in a year, Ernie is hired for my position.
01:39:18
Now we're still paying you $10,000 more, and we have another position that we're paying the full thing.
01:39:25
Is that correct?
01:39:26
Is there a potential that?
SPEAKER_06
01:39:30
It's hard to think of every scenario.
01:39:34
Sure.
01:39:35
So I think maybe you're thinking of it as the position that is vacated.
01:39:40
Let's say it's a $50,000 position.
01:39:43
And you said $10,000, and it now went to someone else.
01:39:45
Sure.
01:39:46
There's only $40,000 left now to hire somebody.
01:39:49
We're not hiring somebody for $50,000.
SPEAKER_07
01:39:55
The pool doesn't change.
SPEAKER_15
01:40:06
I can appreciate that flexibility given to the constitutional officers so they can have that discretion to seek these people.
SPEAKER_02
01:40:20
It could also be used where, let's use your $10,000 example,
01:40:25
And let's just say you're going to hire two people and give them both a $5,000 bonus, sign-on type of situation, where it's not a recurring.
01:40:33
I don't know about that.
01:40:34
I don't know if you can do that.
01:40:36
It's a date you all haven't approved.
01:40:37
We don't approve.
01:40:38
OK, never mind.
01:40:38
Only if we can do that as a board.
01:40:40
It's not part of this policy.
SPEAKER_15
01:40:41
OK.
01:40:41
I like the idea.
01:40:42
It's a sign-on bonus.
SPEAKER_02
01:40:44
I was just trying to look at a way that it wouldn't be a recurring bump in salary, is what I was thinking.
SPEAKER_15
01:40:49
A lot of counties do sign-on.
01:40:55
So I can appreciate it at this point with that understanding now.
01:40:59
I was sitting here when I was looking at it.
01:41:03
I was trying to play this.
01:41:04
I was like, wow.
01:41:05
I was like, maybe it's like 150 new K if we're not realizing.
01:41:08
So I'm supportive of it.
01:41:11
I would be cautious as we keep our eyes out to see how this plays out.
SPEAKER_07
01:41:16
What is the average number of funds that we have that aren't used?
SPEAKER_06
01:41:23
It's typically not a lot.
01:41:24
I mean, I think currently the sheriff's department may have $2,000.
01:41:31
I mean, obviously when you have somebody retire, like
01:41:34
Angie Hicks, who may have built up supplements over the years, you're going to have more at that point.
01:41:39
But typically, it's not a great deal.
01:41:41
And I just wanted to reiterate, too, that the spirit of this change is for retention.
01:41:47
The county doesn't currently have a merit-based pay system.
01:41:51
It's not, oh, this person's doing a great job.
01:41:53
I'm just going to give them $500.
01:41:55
It's to retain people that
SPEAKER_15
01:41:59
I get it.
01:42:01
I understand.
01:42:01
And that's not changing our algorithm too crazy.
SPEAKER_02
01:42:07
We all ready to?
01:42:10
Yeah.
01:42:10
All right.
01:42:11
So I'll entertain a motion that we approve Resolution R 2024-53, Nelson County Board of Supervisors Amendment to the 2017 Local Supplement Policy for Constitutional Offices.
01:42:24
Motion made, sir.
01:42:26
Do we have a second?
01:42:26
Second.
01:42:27
We have a motion and a second.
01:42:29
Any discussion?
01:42:31
Hearing none, we'll have a roll call vote.
01:42:33
Amanda?
SPEAKER_06
01:42:34
Mr. Ludford?
01:42:35
Yes.
01:42:36
Dr. Layden?
01:42:37
Yes.
01:42:37
Mr. Reed?
SPEAKER_02
01:42:37
Yes.
01:42:38
Mr. Parr?
01:42:38
Yes.
01:42:41
All right.
SPEAKER_15
01:42:44
I am going to be curious, though, how this impacts how we perceive the pay study.
01:42:52
I don't know.
01:42:54
How do you advertise now?
01:42:58
We would advertise the pay study amount, and then that discretion would just happen at the table.
SPEAKER_02
01:43:06
Thank you, Sheriff.
01:43:08
Thank you.
01:43:10
Thank you all very much.
01:43:11
I appreciate it very much.
01:43:13
All right, moving on.
01:43:15
Ms. McGarry, we have authorization of participation in Kroger opioid abatement settlement.
SPEAKER_06
01:43:23
Currently the county participates in multiple other opioid abatement settlements.
01:43:29
This is just another one from Kroger and its related corporate entities.
01:43:37
They need a copy of a signed resolution authorizing me to electronically authorize our participation.
01:43:46
We don't know how much we would receive from this because it depends on how many localities opt to participate with the state.
01:43:53
in this and then at that time they determine what each locality's allocation is.
01:44:03
So we have resolution 2024-54 which authorizes us to participate in post settlement of the opioid related claims against Kroger and its related corporate entities.
01:44:23
and then we're directed to execute the appropriate documents to affect the county's participation.
SPEAKER_11
01:44:31
All right, moving on, Mr. Chairman.
SPEAKER_15
01:44:32
Yep, ready for a motion.
01:44:33
Mr. Chairman, I move that we approve Resolution R 2024-54, approval of the county's participation in the proposed settlement of the opioid-related claims against Groger and its related corporate entities and directing the county attorney to execute the documents necessary to effectuate the county's participation in the settlement.
SPEAKER_02
01:44:53
We have a motion.
01:44:53
Do we have a second?
01:44:56
Second.
01:44:56
Any discussion?
01:44:58
Hearing none, we'll have a roll call vote.
SPEAKER_07
01:45:01
Mr. Rutherford.
01:45:04
Yes.
01:45:04
Dr. Libby.
01:45:04
Yes.
01:45:04
Mr. Reed.
01:45:05
Yes.
SPEAKER_02
01:45:06
Mr. Parr.
01:45:06
Yes.
01:45:07
Very good.
01:45:08
Thank you.
01:45:09
Next, we have the 2025 Regional Housing Summit sponsorship request.
SPEAKER_06
01:45:20
OK.
01:45:20
So this is a fairly
01:45:21
Easy one potentially.
01:45:24
So the 2025 Regional Housing Summit that's put on by the Thomas Jefferson Planning District is just requesting a sponsorship for the summit.
01:45:35
I believe last year the board authorized $1,000
01:45:46
You can do a networking sponsorship of 5,000, a breakout sponsor of 2,500, or then this partnership sponsor for 1,000 or any other amount you so desire.
SPEAKER_15
01:46:00
So kind of related to this entity, I mean, those three tiers are really more for corporations and whatnot to participate if we wanted to opt in.
01:46:13
I guess one question is, Ernie, did you go last year?
SPEAKER_04
01:46:15
Yes.
SPEAKER_15
01:46:16
Did you enjoy it?
01:46:18
Last year we had a pretty good makeup of speakers just talking about housing related stuff in our region.
01:46:25
I think short-term rentals will actually make it.
01:46:27
I was gonna say, wait a minute, you spoke.
01:46:29
I did spoke at that one, so it was great.
01:46:31
It's actually the best.
01:46:33
I already actually skipped one, I'll have you know.
SPEAKER_04
01:46:37
I knew what you were gonna say.
SPEAKER_15
01:46:38
That's fair.
01:46:40
I really do strongly think you guys, if you do get an opportunity to participate, it's worth it.
01:46:48
Just let the staff know.
01:46:50
If we are going to do any sponsorship towards us, $500 to $1,000 I think makes sense to me.
01:46:56
It's up to you guys.
01:47:04
I'm not heartbroken.
01:47:14
Mr. Chairman, I'm going to suggest we revisit this later because I need to talk to staff about something on this.
SPEAKER_02
01:47:31
When does the decision need to be made on this?
SPEAKER_15
01:47:33
This isn't happening until March.
SPEAKER_02
01:47:35
Yeah.
SPEAKER_15
01:47:35
So we've got time.
01:47:37
We can put this on maybe September, October.
SPEAKER_02
01:47:41
Yep, we'll postpone that.
01:47:45
Thank you.
01:47:47
All right, next we have the FY2425 salary and classification system, R. 2024-55.
SPEAKER_06
01:47:54
For your consideration is Resolution 2024-55.
01:47:59
This basically affects the Board of Supervisors
01:48:08
Pay rates of 3% or the applicable equity market adjustment resulting from the recent pay study.
01:48:17
That's the third piece of the study.
01:48:20
This just affects what the board approved within FY 25 budget.
01:48:24
Additionally, we are proposing that in order to maintain competitive market rates as of July 1, 2024, that the pay ranges assigned to each position and pay classification
01:48:38
The increase by one half of the salary adjustment rates, which in this case would be one and a half percent.
01:48:46
So that means all of the pay classes would move up by one and a half percent.
01:48:51
And hopefully in, I don't know, however many years we do another pay study, we won't be so far behind the market at that point.
01:48:59
So we're just trying to find a way to try to keep up a little bit each year so that it's not such a big hit.
01:49:08
And it's time to do a study, potentially.
SPEAKER_02
01:49:15
All right.
01:49:15
Do we have any input, questions from the board?
01:49:23
If not, what's the pleasure of the board?
SPEAKER_04
01:49:27
Well, I have one consideration that I'm just going to throw out.
01:49:32
I don't know that it's going to affect how I feel about this overall.
01:49:39
Now we make it extremely difficult to give all of the county employees, and I'm including the schools in that, the same kind of equity in terms of percentage salary adjustments.
01:50:00
When we take steps like this, doing something internally for administration staff and county staff,
01:50:09
If we don't make it at all possible to make those same kind of salary adjustments available to all county employees, which would include the schools, then it looks a little bit inequitable and actually something like this might make it even a little more inequitable than it is already since
01:50:29
The schools aren't budgeted enough money to be able to give those types of salary adjustments that we would like to give people in the county.
01:50:37
And to me, that is problematic because I, for one, and I don't know if anyone shares this, look at all county employees as all county employees.
01:50:48
I'd like to see them all kind of held to the same level of compensation.
01:50:58
I'm in favor of the increase at this county level for this.
01:51:07
I think that the argument that you put forth is really good.
01:51:12
We want to be able to keep competitive and we want to be able to keep further studies from making it more difficult for us to achieve the goals we want to.
01:51:20
I just would like to see more consensus on
01:51:27
on the Board of Supervisors to look at all county employees through an equal lens to try to see if we can, at some point in the future, be more successful this year, in the future being able to afford the same benefits to all county employees.
SPEAKER_07
01:51:47
I have two things.
01:51:49
One, of course, we just finished the 2025 budget where
01:51:55
Raises were budgeted in, so the number you gave us for the increase is now wrong, right?
01:52:05
Or this was planned all along?
SPEAKER_06
01:52:10
Yeah, well, the numbers given were, of course, the snapshot at that time, which, you know, people have come and gone and, you know, some things have changed, so
01:52:20
You know, there may be some adjustment in those numbers, but the basis for this is the budget adoption, which contained the funding for 3% raise or the equity adjustment based on the pay study.
SPEAKER_07
01:52:34
Well, yeah, but 3% based on what the employees were making before, 1.5%.
01:52:41
Is that?
SPEAKER_06
01:52:41
No.
01:52:42
OK. No.
01:52:43
So it would be 3% as of your salary at June 30.
01:52:48
The one and a half percent would just adjust the scale so that anybody coming in would have, the beginning salary would be one and a half percent higher.
01:53:00
County employees have a probationary period, not constitutional offices, but county positions have a six month probationary period.
01:53:08
So in which time,
01:53:11
at which time they can't get a pay raise.
01:53:14
So they would experience the 1.5% higher starting salary at the start of their pay range.
01:53:21
And then once they were out of their probationary period, they would get the balance of that to equal a total of 3% at that point.
SPEAKER_02
01:53:31
Which was budgeted.
SPEAKER_07
01:53:35
The second thing I have to say is the money we give to the school board, it's up to them whether they want to give that raise or not.
01:53:42
Not up to us.
SPEAKER_02
01:53:46
Any other questions on R 2024-55?
01:53:50
If not, what's the pleasure of the board?
SPEAKER_04
01:54:00
I move that we approve Resolution R 2024-55, Nelson County Board of Supervisors, Fiscal Year 2024-25, Amendment of Salary and Classification System.
SPEAKER_07
01:54:12
I second.
SPEAKER_02
01:54:13
We have a motion and a second.
01:54:14
Any discussion?
01:54:17
Hearing none, we'll have a roll call vote.
SPEAKER_07
01:54:20
Mr. Rutherford?
01:54:21
Yes.
01:54:21
Dr. Lingan?
01:54:22
Yes.
01:54:23
Mr. Reed?
01:54:23
Yes.
SPEAKER_02
01:54:24
Mr. Parr?
01:54:27
Yes.
01:54:28
Thank you.
01:54:29
and next up we have the Lovingston Sidewalk Improvements TAP Grant Memorandum of Agreement.
SPEAKER_06
01:54:40
Your consideration is Resolution 2024-56.
01:54:42
This provides authorization for the county to enter into an agreement with VDOT to accept FY24-25 Transportation Alternative Program
01:54:57
Project.
01:54:59
So the Commonwealth Transportation Board has awarded $2.5 million in funding to Nelson for the Front Street sidewalk improvement project.
01:55:07
There is a required 20% local match, which is $625,000.
01:55:11
This provides a maximum cost of $3,125,000.
01:55:20
A new rule associated with TAP grants is that the locality must
01:55:26
In addition to the 20% local match, you have to commit to finishing the project.
01:55:31
So whatever that cost estimate is, and in this case it's $3,876,495, the county's committing to funding that difference, which is, as Mr. Payne mentioned earlier today, $751,495.
01:55:45
Now the actual cost could vary from the estimate, but
01:55:56
In crafting this agreement, they have to go with what the cost estimate at the time is.
SPEAKER_15
01:56:01
And kind of to further into this, the county at this point, we're going to be well even more positively postured to solicit other grants to help bridge those costs.
SPEAKER_06
01:56:15
That's correct.
01:56:16
So I'm in conversations with VDOT on some other potential funding sources that we could use to provide the local match.
01:56:23
They've broken it out in over three fiscal years.
01:56:26
So our FY 25 match would be $75,600.
01:56:29
The FY 26 match would be $212,248.
01:56:34
And then in FY 27, it would be expected to be $1,088,647.
01:56:40
So we do have little time to try to find other ways to fund that the bigger piece in FY 27 is
SPEAKER_15
01:56:53
And we will also have, I guess, in that time frame, an additional opportunity to apply for another TAP grant, correct?
SPEAKER_06
01:57:02
Yes, we should.
SPEAKER_15
01:57:04
So to draw some similarity to another project, the Crozet Tunnel, I think, was an example of multiple TAP grants, right?
01:57:13
So we could find ourselves in a similar situation where we find, all right, we need another, let's just spit it out,
01:57:23
This is what it looks like.
01:57:25
Usually once you start getting them the propensity gets a lot easier to get the next one and in addition to this other grants whether that's a CDBG grant or any of those other entities once they've seen a commitment like this to make improvements you also have an opportunity to see potentially some infrastructure grants some additional ones so our hope is that we're going to keep our eyes out and work up front center with
01:57:59
I've got to admit, this has taken six years, so this is pretty, this is very exciting.
SPEAKER_06
01:58:05
So, I mean, just to clarify, so since the Tumult Tap Grants, that program has changed where you can only get two and a half million per project.
SPEAKER_15
01:58:14
Oh, per project, wow, so they didn't, that one probably burned them.
SPEAKER_06
01:58:18
So, yes, so that's the most we can get for this particular project.
01:58:21
If we have another application for the other part of the street or,
01:58:26
The second phase, then that would be a totally different project.
SPEAKER_07
01:58:36
Are you totally slamming down what he just said, or you said that there's a possibility for more grants?
01:58:40
Other grants, not this particular program, potentially.
01:58:45
So he was all sunshine and rainbows.
01:58:49
What is the actual reality that there are other grants that can help with this?
SPEAKER_06
01:58:53
Well, I mean, we're looking into that.
01:58:57
to see what those options are.
01:58:58
VDOT's helping us see what they consider an appropriate local match.
01:59:07
You can't match federal funds with other federal funds a lot of times, so we're trying to figure that piece out with their help.
SPEAKER_15
01:59:15
And there's also some private sector ones that exist as well, so whatever those could be.
SPEAKER_02
01:59:22
So I want to take a step back and
01:59:25
We kind of jumped right into the details of this, but I think we need to just step back and look at this for a second and congratulate everybody who was involved in this grant and this money being awarded to our community.
01:59:41
This was a lot of work, a lot of time, a lot of people putting in a lot of effort.
01:59:46
So I just think we need to congratulate everybody for the work that they put into this and the impact this is going to have on our community.
01:59:53
So I just want to say,
01:59:57
So thank you all.
02:00:00
What is the pleasure of the board?
02:00:01
Any other questions or comments?
SPEAKER_15
02:00:04
Mr. Chairman.
SPEAKER_02
02:00:05
Please.
SPEAKER_15
02:00:07
It is my pleasure to make a motion to approve resolution R2024-56, Nelson County Board of Supervisors authorization to enter into agreement with VDOT to accept FY2425 transportation alternatives program grant funding for Front Street sidewalk improvement project.
SPEAKER_02
02:00:28
We have a motion.
02:00:29
Do we have a second?
SPEAKER_07
02:00:30
I'll second it.
SPEAKER_02
02:00:32
We have a motion and a second.
02:00:33
Any discussion?
02:00:36
Hearing none, we'll have a roll call vote.
02:00:38
Amanda?
SPEAKER_07
02:00:39
Mr. Rutherford?
02:00:39
Yes.
02:00:40
Dr. Legan?
02:00:40
Yes.
02:00:41
Mr. Reed?
SPEAKER_02
02:00:42
Yes.
02:00:43
Mr. Cobb?
02:00:43
Yes.
02:00:45
Very good.
02:00:45
Congratulations.
02:00:47
Thank you so much.
02:00:48
Yes.
SPEAKER_06
02:00:48
I'll note too that this is going to be a VDOT-administered project, so it will not be
02:00:54
Just a follow-up on Mr. Brown's presentation earlier.
SPEAKER_02
02:01:08
He kind of seemed to be, when we were discussing some of this and some of the ideas and things, he was very hands-off and make sure your planner does this.
02:01:16
So that led me to believe they weren't.
SPEAKER_06
02:01:20
Yeah, well I wasn't able to jump in and clarify that.
02:01:24
But no, VDOT's going to administer the project and we'll just need to make sure that if we have any
02:01:32
input, such as what we were discussing at that point with the parking things that we get that in.
SPEAKER_02
02:01:39
I would certainly hope we have a lot of input.
02:01:44
Very good.
02:01:45
Again, thank you, staff and Jesse.
SPEAKER_06
02:01:49
And thanks to the PDC, they worked very hard on that.
SPEAKER_15
02:01:53
Yes.
02:01:54
This goes back to Chip.
02:01:56
He was one of the first people who brought up, he says, I know we've been asked for a lot of TAP grants, but we need to start now.
02:02:01
And he's right.
02:02:02
These projects, you have to start.
02:02:04
And after they've seen you on their list a couple of times, then they start taking it pretty seriously.
SPEAKER_02
02:02:11
Well, again, thank you and congratulations to everybody directly impacted by this.
02:02:18
All right, we're ready to move on to reports.
02:02:24
Mrs. McGarry?
02:02:27
Fairly short report for you all today.
SPEAKER_06
02:02:29
We've taken care of a lot of pending business already during the meeting.
02:02:34
As part of the Route 151 speed study results meeting, I'm still waiting on a date and times from VDOT staff to get this set up.
02:02:45
So as soon as I know something, we'll pass it along to you all.
02:02:50
We have been approved.
02:02:53
for two grants from the Virginia Opioid Abatement Authority, the regional grant approvals for FY 25.
02:02:59
The first one is a continuation for support of the Region 10 Crisis Intervention Team Assessment Center, the CTAC expansion and crisis response project for a second fiscal year.
02:03:11
This funding is $1,162,960.
02:03:12
Albemarle County serves as the fiscal agent for this grant and there's no local match required for that.
02:03:22
The second one is a new grant I believe I've reported on at some point in the last maybe month or two.
02:03:28
It was a new application on behalf of the members of the Offender Aid Restoration, OAR, and Jefferson Area Community Corrections.
02:03:38
They manage recovery courts within the region including Nelson,
02:03:42
$388,437 in FY 25 funding will be used to expand regional specialty docket services, which is what they call recovery courts, to include peer counselors.
02:03:55
Charlottesville City is the fiscal agent for this grant and there's no local manage requirement.
02:04:02
Let's see, the status of the Service Authority's Livingston Sewer Rehab Project.
02:04:07
There's no real change right now.
02:04:09
A draft support agreement has been submitted by the Service Authority to USDA or U.S. for their approval.
02:04:17
And if approved, it will be presented to both the Board of Supervisors and Service Authority Board for your approval consideration in the next couple of months, as soon as we get it back and have the okay to proceed.
02:04:31
No change on the Department of Social Services building.
02:04:35
Purchase agreement for a parcel of property on Cali Hill Drive, joining the county-owned property.
02:04:40
which will allow for the required storm water retention pond associated with widening and paving of a planned roadway there is in process and expected to be complete this month.
02:04:51
Took another look at our preliminary FY24 and the fiscal year projections and this is on a cash basis.
02:04:57
Our revenue collection is on a cash basis for real and personal property taxes as of June 30th.
02:05:03
were about 99.07% of budgeted at $20,413,352 and 99.08% of budgeted at $6,029,730 respectively.
02:05:18
So while a collection of other local revenues either exceeded or fell short of the budgeted amounts, on a net basis, our revenues from local sources exceeded the budgeted amount
02:05:29
by 0.47% or $182,756 for a total local revenue collection of $38,319,954.
02:05:37
Revenues from the state collected were 93.48% of budgeted at $5,241,776 with remaining 6.22% being related to delayed reimbursement of FY24
02:05:55
public assistance expenditures that will be accrued back by our auditors and other grants whose expenditures and reimbursements will be carried forward into FY 25.
02:06:05
Similarly, federal revenues collected were 85.38% of budgeted at 1.5 million with remaining 14.62% being related to delayed reimbursement of public assistance expenditures that will be accrued back by our auditors and other federal grants that will be carried forward to FY 25.
02:06:24
Our auditors will apply expenditures and collections for fiscal year 24 through September, which will include adjustments for items prepaid in June that are actually FY 25 expenditures.
02:06:37
As of July 5, 2024, on a cash basis, our revenues exceed expenditures by $2,335,621.
02:06:42
And attached are the revenue and expenditure detail reports for the end of the fiscal year.
02:06:54
We have issued the 2026 Real Property Assessment Mass Appraisal RFP.
02:07:01
It was issued on June 20th with responses due July 15th, 2024 next Monday.
02:07:07
We'll then schedule vendor interviews and the contract award is anticipated to be done in July and August or July or August depending on timing with the work to commence in September or October 2024.
02:07:22
Our hired firm will begin with the sales study and the bulk of the reassessment work will be done during the calendar year of 2025.
02:07:28
Final completion of the reassessment will be contractually by December 31, 2025, and assessments effective January 1, 2026.
02:07:37
There will be informal hearings with assessors as requested by citizens, followed by Board of Equalization appeal hearings during the February, March 2026 timeframe.
02:07:50
Staff has completed the directive to track and chart the last four fiscal years of data for both meals and lodging tax.
02:07:58
That's tax collection.
02:07:59
This will be updated and provided monthly going forward.
02:08:02
And those charts and data are also attached to my report.
02:08:10
So in terms of our FY 25 board retreat, staff is looking at coordinating a September or October board retreat.
02:08:18
If you could please provide us with any dates in September or October that are definitely not good for you, that would be helpful.
02:08:26
The third and fourth weeks of the month after our regular board meetings are ideal, such as September 16th through the 27th and October 14th through the 25th, if possible.
02:08:40
So once we can kind of narrow down a good time frame for you all, we can start talking about logistics with Chair Parr here.
SPEAKER_02
02:08:49
I mean, while we're on it, does anybody, I mean, did you all see this before and look at your calendars for this?
02:08:55
Does anybody have any hard no's in either that September or October blocks?
SPEAKER_15
02:09:04
September works a little better.
02:09:04
Yeah, I'd rather be September.
SPEAKER_02
02:09:06
Definitely not September.
02:09:06
Everybody's good.
02:09:07
If we picked any date between September 16th and 27th right now, there's no hard no's.
SPEAKER_15
02:09:13
Don't do the 16th.
SPEAKER_02
02:09:15
17th through the 27th, let's look at that.
02:09:17
We'll talk about it later.
02:09:18
It's my one year anniversary.
02:09:21
So the 16th, 17th, and 18th.
02:09:24
Yeah, it's 16th.
02:09:25
You're going to pick it on the 16th.
02:09:28
Yeah, 17th, we'll talk, Candy, about those.
SPEAKER_06
02:09:30
I think that would position us well going into our next budget cycle, which will be upon us pretty shortly.
02:09:44
All right.
02:09:44
You should have received your department and office report for June or July.
02:09:48
So happy to take any questions.
SPEAKER_15
02:09:51
Yes.
02:09:52
I just wanted to point out on your TUT flex.
02:09:55
Thank you.
02:09:56
Thank you.
02:09:57
You're welcome.
02:09:58
This is great.
02:09:59
I guess going forward in July, it'd probably be good to put an asterisk notating that that was when the increase hit.
02:10:06
Right.
02:10:06
Just so that further into this, if you look at the earlier years of FY 2021, 21, 25,
02:10:16
At least in my rough math when I looked at it, we probably missed out on close to $2 million in tax revenue.
02:10:31
I also think there are many people in the hospitality industry are going to appreciate this because now they kind of have, though we don't get many trademarks in life, you know how business is doing other than the anecdotal, this is actually probably one of the more solid indicators of what's happening in our community.
02:10:48
So thank you, I really appreciate that.
SPEAKER_06
02:10:51
I think what we'll do is we'll just update it monthly and then we'll provide it to Maureen
SPEAKER_15
02:10:59
Yes, because it's a hard I don't know how they can differ how they can it would be nice I mean honestly if you just looked at three or four you can kind of get a huge indicator of where things are at just three or four
SPEAKER_06
02:11:35
I think the amounts shown are reflective of payments for the prior month's tax levy.
SPEAKER_15
02:11:58
July money is June.
SPEAKER_02
02:12:08
We good?
02:12:19
All right.
02:12:20
Thank you.
02:12:22
Next, we have board reports.
02:12:26
Anybody have anything to share?
02:12:33
Anybody?
SPEAKER_04
02:12:35
I do.
02:12:36
Ernie?
02:12:38
The Agriculture and Forestry District Committee took a tour of the areas in Montebello that have applied to be considered an Ag and Forestry District up in Montebello.
02:12:56
did that last week and that committee is going to be meeting soon to be giving its stamp and the full application to the Planning Commission.
02:13:06
Thursday, right?
02:13:08
We're meeting Thursday?
02:13:09
10th?
02:13:13
I'm not sure.
02:13:15
Okay.
02:13:21
So there was that and it's great because Montebello is a community where if you don't have someone showing you around you barely know that it exists as a community and it was a great tour.
02:13:43
John has completed the draft of their Rural Transit Needs Assessment Study.
02:13:50
We had a working group that I was a part of that really just reviewed the draft as it came through.
02:13:57
And John's going to be making a presentation sometime in the near future to the board about what the results of that were.
02:14:07
The Planning Commission had the public hearing on the Wild Rose Solar Farm Project and did not approve giving it its blessing before it comes to us here at the Board of Supervisors.
02:14:27
But strangely enough, and something that I still can't get my head wrapped around, the Planning Commission voted that it did not comply with our new comprehensive plan.
02:14:43
I can't get my head wrapped around how that happened, and there was virtually no discussion about it at the Planning Commission.
02:14:49
They discussed a lot.
02:14:51
You know, the pluses and minuses of the solar farm itself, but there was really no discussion about how it related to the comp plan, and yet it was turned down by the board.
02:15:05
So there of course is more on that coming.
02:15:11
The Rockfish Valley Foundation has a new exhibit on the Monacan Nation.
02:15:15
You ought to check it out.
02:15:16
It's really excellent because it shows
02:15:20
settlement patterns and the activities in the Rockfish Valley, things that are hidden from most people's sight and knowledge in the area, which is really excellent.
02:15:31
Rockfish Valley Foundation has done a great job, and the Monica Nation, of course, provided lots and lots and lots of support for that.
02:15:41
July 5th was the four-year anniversary of the cancellation of the Atlantic Coast Pipeline.
02:15:52
And the year following that, we passed a resolution celebrating the one-year anniversary of that.
02:16:01
But since that time, an independent journalist, Jonathan Mingel, has published a book called Gaslight.
02:16:12
The Atlantic Coast Pipeline and the Fight for America's Energy Future.
02:16:18
It's the best job of putting together the historical document of the role Nelson County played in that historic fight.
02:16:28
And so we have copies of this historical document.
02:16:33
You can pass that down to Jesse for me.
02:16:35
For the board, hopefully you'll be able to put that on your Nelson County bookshelf, along with all the other historical books that you have.
02:16:43
You know a lot of the people involved.
02:16:44
A lot of them you don't.
02:16:45
But the role that Nelson County played was indispensable, and it alludes to that in many different places in there.
02:16:54
I immediately see Richard Everett's name first page open.
02:16:59
That's because he's an A.
02:17:03
And that's all I've got.
02:17:06
Thank you.
SPEAKER_13
02:17:07
You're welcome.
02:17:08
I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_02
02:17:11
Just one update thing I'll mention on Emergency Services Council.
02:17:15
We're going to be working on looking at the budget items for the individual departments and things that are not currently included in their budget request and any of the existing line items that happen to be missing.
02:17:32
And I'll be bringing that to you all later this year as we go into the budget process just to see
02:17:40
different things that aren't included.
02:17:42
For example, one local department just spent $125,000 redoing their air packs.
02:17:49
And that's something that right now, the last time they did it, they got a grant.
02:17:55
This time they didn't have a grant.
02:17:56
And that's something that they're
02:17:59
paying for.
02:18:00
So different things that aren't included.
02:18:03
We're going to hopefully propose looking at their line items.
02:18:10
That was all I have from that.
02:18:12
Any other reports, board reports?
02:18:17
All right.
02:18:18
Next, we have appointments.
SPEAKER_15
02:18:28
Well, the first one's pretty easy.
SPEAKER_02
02:18:31
Ernie.
02:18:31
I don't know.
02:18:32
I think we need to have a conversation about that.
02:18:34
I think we need to think about that.
SPEAKER_07
02:18:40
Well, you want to do it, yes.
02:18:41
Do you want to do it?
02:18:42
Absolutely.
02:18:42
Yeah, he's a spacer.
SPEAKER_04
02:18:43
Yeah.
02:18:44
Yes, I would step aside if someone lobbied real strongly to do it, because I've really enjoyed my time on there.
02:18:49
But I've gotten to the point where I actually contribute to some of the things that actually go on there.
02:18:56
Long enough you get to do that.
SPEAKER_02
02:18:58
Sometimes it takes a while to get your feet wet in some of these.
02:19:02
Really?
SPEAKER_15
02:19:03
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02
02:19:03
All right, so.
SPEAKER_15
02:19:05
Mr. Chairman, I move we put Ernie back on Java.
SPEAKER_02
02:19:10
Do we need to vote on these individually?
02:19:12
We do.
02:19:13
Yeah.
02:19:14
Yeah.
02:19:15
All right.
02:19:15
We'll just do vote by acclamation.
02:19:16
We have a motion.
02:19:17
Do we have a second?
02:19:21
All right.
02:19:22
All those in favor signify by saying aye.
02:19:25
Aye.
02:19:25
Chair votes aye.
02:19:26
Congratulations, Ernie.
SPEAKER_04
02:19:27
Thank you.
SPEAKER_02
02:19:28
Mr.
SPEAKER_15
02:19:29
Chair, I move we put Jason Taylor on Building Code Appeals.
SPEAKER_02
02:19:35
All right, we have a motion.
02:19:36
Do we have a second?
02:19:37
I'll second.
02:19:38
Any discussion?
02:19:41
So I just have a question.
02:19:44
Is it typical that we have somebody apply that's not a resident of the county?
02:19:48
That's typical?
SPEAKER_05
02:19:49
Yes, it can happen.
02:19:50
And we do have Robin Meyer.
02:19:52
She's actually a Charlottesville resident.
02:19:55
They are able to serve.
02:19:58
You can appoint them however you wish.
02:20:00
We do have folks already in that capacity.
02:20:03
I think Mr. Ritter is an architect.
02:20:05
We have a couple already.
02:20:07
Mr. Kaler will be taking his and Dad's position.
SPEAKER_02
02:20:11
All right, any discussion on that?
02:20:17
Good question.
02:20:19
All right, if not, all those in favor of Jason Taylor signify by saying aye.
02:20:24
Aye.
02:20:24
Chair votes aye.
02:20:25
Very good.
02:20:27
Have we had any applications for the vacancy on social services?
SPEAKER_15
02:20:34
None at all.
02:20:34
Just Marshall?
SPEAKER_02
02:20:36
No, social services.
02:20:40
Social services.
SPEAKER_15
02:20:41
Is that at large or is that district specific?
02:20:43
No, that's district.
SPEAKER_02
02:20:45
And that's central.
SPEAKER_04
02:20:47
Is it limited to one board member on that one?
SPEAKER_15
02:21:07
Is it a healthy thing just to leave it as one?
SPEAKER_02
02:21:09
I'm just curious.
02:21:10
Well, the board member on that, and I'm pretty sure I don't vote on that board.
02:21:16
I'm just an advisor, so I don't think we want to do that.
02:21:22
But we all need to be thinking about somebody we could approach for that.
02:21:29
All right, jail authority, nobody?
SPEAKER_05
02:21:32
No, Mr. Barton, I talked to him.
02:21:35
He did not wish to continue serving all of his time.
02:21:39
Now the project is moving along.
02:21:43
He was ready to relinquish that, that can be a board
02:21:46
for Citizen Representative.
02:21:48
He did suggest you may want to consider putting a board member on there.
SPEAKER_15
02:21:53
Yeah, that's what I was, I think that's the one at this time.
02:21:55
Yep.
02:21:57
Jessica, do you want a more exciting one?
SPEAKER_07
02:21:59
Yeah, what are the requirements?
02:22:02
It meets monthly?
02:22:03
In Charlottesville?
SPEAKER_06
02:22:06
Yes, in Charlottesville at the regional jail.
02:22:09
It's usually the Thursday after our
02:22:16
So do we have a motion?
02:22:18
Mr. Chairman, I move we put Jessica on the jail board.
SPEAKER_15
02:22:39
Second.
02:22:41
Second.
SPEAKER_02
02:22:45
We have a motion and a second.
02:22:46
All those in favor signify by saying aye.
02:22:48
Aye.
02:22:49
Chair votes aye.
02:22:50
Congratulations.
02:22:51
Thank you.
SPEAKER_07
02:22:52
More often, for sure.
SPEAKER_02
02:22:57
Next, we have the Nelson County Service Authority for the West District.
02:23:01
We have David Hite and Marshall Saunders.
SPEAKER_04
02:23:03
I'd like to move that we re-appoint David Hite to the Nelson County Service Authority Board in the West District.
SPEAKER_07
02:23:10
I'd like to second that.
SPEAKER_02
02:23:11
All right.
02:23:12
So we have a motion and a second.
02:23:13
Any discussion?
02:23:15
All those in favor, signify by saying aye.
02:23:17
Aye.
02:23:19
All right.
02:23:20
Congratulations to Mr. Huyck for reappointment.
02:23:23
And that's all the appointments we have.
02:23:25
All right.
02:23:29
Next, correspondence.
02:23:32
Anyone have any correspondence to share?
02:23:41
One thing I will mention, I guess you all have your invitation to the retirement celebration.
02:23:47
I will not be able to attend.
02:23:50
Any directives?
02:23:55
If not, are we ready for closed session?
02:24:03
All right.
02:24:04
Thank you all for coming.
02:24:05
We will now be moving into closed session.
SPEAKER_04
02:24:06
Mr. Reed?
02:24:08
I move that the Nelson County Board of Supervisors convene in closed session to discuss the following as permitted by Virginia Code Sections 2.2-3711.
02:24:16
Discussion or consideration of the acquisition of real property for a public purpose or for the disposition of publicly held real property where discussion in an open meeting would adversely affect the bargaining position or negotiating strategy of the public body.
02:24:32
In consultation with legal counsel and briefings by staff members pertaining to actual litigation where such consultation or briefing and open meeting would adversely affect the negotiating or litigating posture of the public body, litigation pertaining to the Region 2000 Services Authority.
02:24:49
and consultation of legal counsel employed or retained by a public body regarding specific legal matters requiring the provision of legal advice by such counsel.
02:24:58
Nothing in the subdivision shall be construed to permit the closure of a meeting merely because an attorney representing the public body is in attendance or is consulted on a matter.
SPEAKER_02
02:25:13
Very good.
02:25:13
We have a motion.
02:25:14
Do we have a second?
02:25:15
Second.
02:25:16
All those in favor signify by saying aye.
02:25:19
Chair votes aye.