Board of Supervisors Meeting   6/13/2023

Barton.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

All right, moving on into the public comments section for the agenda.

Ed, I believe you have an introduction to make.

If you are speaking as an individual, please state your name and address for the record.

We're given three minutes to speak.

If you speak on behalf of an organization, please specify the organization.

The chair will give you five minutes to speak.

If you have not finished your thoughts, the chair may give you an additional 30 seconds to finish your thoughts.

Mr. Reed will be our timekeeper.

and we'll give you a 30-second warning.

On top of the agenda, we have a very exciting introduction.

Hello everyone.

As you know, I'm Edith Nathan, West District.

Before the introduction, one quick thing.

I want to remind the board of Juneteenth on the 18th, which is

Sunday, starting at 3 o'clock at the Heritage Center.

Also, one comment I urge you to urge VDOT to cut the grass on the southern end on Route 29.

The grass is tall and presents a danger to those crossing over from the northern lanes to the southern lanes or vice versa.

It appears that the southern end of the county is underserved.

Mr. Parr and Mr. Barton, we would appreciate you driving down this looking, it's really tall grass in that area.

Now, the special introduction.

Special thanks to the Board of Supervisors that supported the retirement celebration of Andrew Rhodes, former director of Nelson County Social Services Department, after 40 years of service to the citizens of Nelson.

Thank you collectively and thank you individually.

As chairperson of the Nelson County Department of Social Services Board, I've come before you to introduce the sum and to present the others, the new director of social services for Nelson County, effective May 22nd, 2023, Mr. Brad Burdette.

Mr. Burdette brings with him years of social service experience

from Ronald City Department of Social Services, Powhatan Department of Social Services, and most recently Appomattox Department of Social Services.

Mr. Burdette is well versed in all aspects of social services and our board looks forward to him leading the Nelson County Social Services Department to the next level.

Mr. Burdette lives in Nelson County and is married to Jeanette Burdette and they have two children.

I just wanted to thank the board and the local DSS board for the opportunity to serve the citizens of Nelson County.

I'm very excited about the opportunity and I already got my feet wet so we're eager to

Hi, everyone.

So I'm Grace Cusias.

I work for Blue Ridge Medical Center.

I'm the community health worker here, recently started in November.

I wanted to announce, if y'all haven't seen the flyers yet already, we're hosting a Nelson Community Health Fair July 15th at the Heritage Center.

We're very excited about it, and we're grateful to see our flyers already going around social media and the website.

Blue Ridge Medical Center will be providing free sports physicals and some back to school vaccinations for the kids of Nelson County while also providing school supplies.

So it's a health fair kind of mixed in with the back to school event.

There will be many health and human service agencies in attendance of Nelson County and surrounding counties.

As Blue Ridge has done events similar to this in the past before COVID, we're very excited to start it up again and bring the community back together.

Our ultimate goal for this event is to engage with the community to share all the available resources that they have access to with the intention to reduce health disparities in Nelson County.

There will be prizes, food trucks, games, and fun for all ages.

So we would love your continued support and help in promoting the events and the awards so we can serve as many community members as possible.

All right.

Stephen Bain, 620-405-Nellysford, Virginia.

This is to provide feedback regarding the FY24 county budget.

I'm concerned with the amount of capital expenditures that the county will need for infrastructure needs beginning soon.

Residents need to have confidence that our board has effectively planned for these infrastructure needs, including when they will be needed,

what they will cost and that they are fully funded.

I am concerned that the recurring contingency reserve total of 500K is materially too low.

Again, residents need to be down confident that our board is planned effectively with fiscally responsible reserves.

I'm concerned that you are missing an opportunity supported by residents to increase the TOT rate from 5% to 7%.

Yet you acknowledge public sentiment to place limitations on and effectively manage short-term models.

Furthermore, the increased revenue would be a very efficient revenue source to strengthen the weaknesses in the proposed budget.

I'm also concerned that you're missing an opportunity to reduce the real estate tax rate for FY24, keeping real estate tax revenue flatter for residents who have struggled with inflation, spiking interest rates, and the resulting economic slowdown.

There are a number of other counties that have focused on providing such relief for residents, even Fairfax County, one of the most fiscally, eerily, scholarly counties.

I'm concerned for the lack of evidence that you performed detailed diligence regarding the budget request regarding the public schools.

I support our public schools, and it is important that the board confirm that the budget request is fiscally responsible and truly what is needed.

The proposed 5% compensation increase for county employees is very high.

Residents need to have confidence that your diligence with pay studies truly warrants this level across the board increase.

Comparing to other neighboring counties is of no value and offers no justification for residents.

I'm also concerned about the county's debt facility in light of severely increasing interest rates.

We have experienced a severe economic downturn over the past two years with inflation rocking interest rates and abruptly slowing economic growth.

I just wanted to say thank you to the folks on Facebook for comments about the road situation and what VDOT might do to improve it around here.

I guess I would stop when they go in and see these comments about cutting grass.

I'd like to start with three areas that I feel like we need to extend on that Turner Lane deceleration point for making those turns off of Highway 29.

And the first one is coming south on 29 as you enter the village.

to make a left turn on what they call Northside, which would be Brooks Creek, Nigeria.

That left turn is entirely too short.

The books coming over the hill, you don't hardly have to have a chance to get off the road before they run up the tailpipe.

So that is the first one.

The second one is on the southern end of the village up here, the Outback Brewery, where

If you want to come north on 29, you got to turn right.

It's like an arc cut and get a little bit of feel of what an arc cut looks like.

You have to turn right and then cross over and then make a U-turn and come back for it.

So that would be my second.

I think you just got to improve that and just make it a little safer.

The third that I would focus on just to get started, not to say that all of them don't need it, but where you go ahead and borrow things and take your trash, you got to go down, down where the Heritage Center is and turn left.

Cross the road and then you end up on the other side of the road, off the road again.

I made little maps here so you guys have reminders.

Yeah, I know we're giving to Candy, but then where do they go?

Do you guys pick copies of them and so forth?

It doesn't matter.

But again, thank you for bringing up the topic.

Thanks, Bill.

I'd like to ask the board to consider giving

and what boss are in Landry 21 Black Walnut Drive, Nellysford.

I'd like to ask the board to consider giving additional money, very small amount, to animal control.

The reason is our, I don't know what the name of the law is, but it's for animals that for one reason or another are slated to be euthanized.

in the county, and instead of euthanizing, we have volunteer groups in this county that will transport them to states where they will get adopted.

Now, this transportation has, the cost of it has come out of the pockets of generous donors, but we can't depend on that all the time.

If you could carve out $3,000 from that bloated school budget, that would be wonderful for a very worthy cause.

And regarding the school budget, they have not been transparent about why they need that extra money.

I do not believe that the board has seen a line item budget of what they're spending their money on.

It's year after year after year.

They want more money this year.

They're counting over 400 students.

This is ridiculous.

Anyone else wish to speak?

It's coming to my attention

Over the years the road going from Fleetwood School directly up the hill to the transfer station is loaded with refuse tires mainly and I'd like to see the county take care of this measure.

I don't know if you have to talk to the court system to get those people who do any service work to remove them but there is a good

Hearing none, we will now close the public comment section of this agenda.

Before we go on to the consent agenda, I wanted to bring up moving the budget adoption budget appropriation to the top of new and unfinished business.

I'll talk to Mr. Reed.

I just think it would be advantageous for us to get that out of the way, out of the other seven items, and that way we can get the full proof of our minds.

Before we get into that, Mr. Reed, Mr. Parr, Mr. Harvey, Ms. Parr, okay, perfect.

So just make a note of that, and staff, if you could come up.

Moving on to the consent agenda, do we have a motion to approve as presented?

So moved.

We have a motion from Ms. Parr, is there a second?

Thank you, Mr. Barton.

Is there any further discussion?

Hearing no discussion, we will do a vote by acclamation.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed or abstentions?

Hearing none, passes unanimously.

Moving on to Resolution Earl Hander Jr. in Jimmy Fortune Day, R-2023-13.

Mr. Hander played, and of course Mr. Fortune as well, played very critical roles in Nelson County.

both how they're brought up and the manner in which they've lived their lives.

And we have an event coming up here soon.

I'm Woody Greenberg, 377 Cabernet and Elaine Arrington.

As you may know, the Nelson County Historical Society is planning to unveil larger than life-size bronze statues, I'm told they are heroic, of Earl Hander and Jimmy Fortune on Saturday, July 8th at the Edelman Museum.

These statues are being donated to the Society through the efforts of the longtime fan of Jimmy Fortune named Linda Cook, who has commissioned other bronze statues of well-known people.

When approached with the idea of the statue, Jimmy asked the fan to honor Earl Thander as well.

The event will begin at 11 a.m. with speakers ranging from Cammie Kotler, who played the Understarter on the Waltons and also taught in the Nelson County school system several years ago, to Eddie Witt, who was a coach and teacher here when Jimmy was at Nelson County High School and played music with him.

to invite you, Jesse, the chair of the board of supervisors to speak as well.

Other state officials have been invited, but they're not invited to speak.

Earl, through his writing and producing Spencer's Mountain, a novel and movie set in Nelson County,

and the homecoming TV movie and Waltons television series also set for Nelson County and Jimmy whose career with the Stafford brothers and as a solo artist and his induction into several walls of fame has also brought very positive attention to his home county.

Now following the unveiling ceremony for the statues, we'll also be opening two exhibits at Oakland Museum to the public, an exhibit on Earl Hanger's writings and another called Rhythms of Yesterday and Today.

on the county's musical heritage.

The music exhibit will feature Jimmy and the late Curtis Matthews, a banjo player who mentored Jimmy and other numerous musicians.

Raul Satterwhite, a banjo and fiddle player and songwriter with a number of number one bluegrass hits, and the Tom Sisters, a gospel group that toured regionally in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s, and we expect to add other musicians over the next year.

We're also inviting all of you to a concert beginning at 7.30 that evening scheduled for the Heritage Center.

Jimmy will headline the concert along with his cousins, E.D.

Jimmy played with in his early days but will also perform.

Jimmy's brother, Tony Fortune, Penny Dodd, Joey Davis, Penny Witt, Raul Satterwhite, David Matthews, Charles Taylor,

These are all if you want to come to the concert.

Thank you.

So at this time, we do have this resolution.

And I will read this off.

This will be a motion to approve.

Resolution R-2023-38.

So I move that we approve Resolution R-2023-38, Nelson County Board of Supervisors, Declaration of July 8, 2023, as Earl Hamner Jr. and Jimmy Fortune say, whereas Earl Hamner Jr. and Jimmy Fortune have brought great honor to Nelson County nationally, and whereas Mr. Hamner's novel and films,

The Homecoming and the Waltons television series are all set in Nelson County and whereas national recognition of Mr. Handrick has brought thousands of visitors to the county to see his boyhood home, a museum dedicated to the Waltons and other business enterprises.

and whereas Jimmy Fortune is a country and gospel music singer from Nelson County who sang with the Statler Brothers for 21 years and wrote the song Elizabeth for the group as well as several other number one country hits and whereas Mr. Fortune has been inducted with the Statler Brothers into the Gospel Music Hall of Fame and the Country Music Hall of Fame and was also inducted twice in the Virginia Music Hall of Fame and continues to perform as a solo

And whereas the Nelson County Historical Society has arranged on to these two Nelson County citizens with life-sized bronze statues at Oakland Museum.

Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Nelson County Board of Supervisors hereby declare that Saturday, July 8, 2023, be known as Earl Handert Jr. and Jimmy Fortune Day.

That was the motion.

Do we have a second?

Second.

Second, Mr. Parr.

Is there any other discussion?

Hearing none, we'll do a roll call vote.

Yes.

Mr. Marvin.

Yes.

Mr. Parr.

Mr. Reed.

Yes.

Thank you all.

Thank you to Mr. Hamner, Mr. Fortune, and we look forward to seeing you all at that July function.

So thank you, Mr. Greenberg.

Thank you.

All right.

We've moved.

Yeah.

Talking about these people reminds me of something.

In the last week, two citizens of Nelson County died, both called John.

And one was Johnny Robinson.

Johnny Robinson was a horticulture teacher at high school for decades.

At a time when Nelson County was primarily an agricultural place.

At his funeral this week, two of his granddaughters read an essay that he wrote about Nelson County in 1957, which I think was the first year that the high school graduated people.

And for his 50th anniversary in 2007, Johnny wrote an essay which described what Nelson County was like in 1957.

and he talked about Front Street, about people coming with their cars down Front Street, being crowded, going to the movie theater, and it was a wonderful lesson.

I think you could find it, rather long, you could find it on, what's it called?

What's it called?

Facebook.

Facebook, sorry.

The other, and Johnny was a real Nelson County person,

The other John was John Martin.

John Martin, I think without a doubt, John Martin attended more high schools sporting events than any other person in the county.

He coached young people, but he also participated in recreation sports for so many years.

He was one of those people that bound us together as a county.

and he also worked for the county in maintenance department for years and he was a wonderful person that drew people together and I just thought I would recognize these two people.

We've got a presentations VDOT report.

So I went on social media yesterday.

If someone said it could be a mistake, and I asked the community at large what the problems with roadways were.

And I got a varying number of responses that someone would communicate later.

But definitely mowing was something that was emphasized.

Well, we have been mowing secondaries.

We started mowing four-lane primaries in 49 yesterday.

They are up near Woods Mill right now.

We'll stay on until we finish 29, then we'll get back to our secondaries and two-lane primaries.

I was up there today, and there was an accident in one, and I worked somewhere up there,

And I'm on it right now.

But it's our intent to, you know, we should have a full lane mode by the 4th of July and hopefully get back on it in some of these other areas.

You know, I know I saw a lot of those comments.

I had a friend of mine send them to me.

I understand their concerns.

We try to be, we can't be everywhere at once.

And we started going secondary the first of May to get out of the hit of it.

Not making excuses, but you know, we do, it's just hard to be going everywhere at the same time.

So I'll leave it at that.

You know, what people are talking about, there's an event at the Heritage Center this weekend and would it be possible to get, it wouldn't take much, just the area in front of the Heritage Center cut down because there should be a lot of traffic and a lot of people coming into the Heritage Center this weekend.

and other high-traffic crossovers like Colleen, that's another bad spot, both at 56th and Dariel.

Have we mowed those once this year?

Those high-traffic ones are

and then while I'm talking 56 Fort Montebello, it's narrow anyway.

I'll be up there.

Rocker River.

Do you have anything you've got to report today?

Yeah, I've got a few good things to report.

No, we did finish Cedar Creek in construction on a hard surface and that seems to be working out well.

We're working on Honeysuckle right now.

Of course, we're working on Honeysuckle and hopefully we'll move people

Jackson, of course, our rural rustic color surfacing program.

Hoping to get it out about early early July.

I can put the contractors in Nelson County on the road.

They should be out there.

There's a significant drain structure.

Jackson, they should be here.

They should be here by then and we'll put that in the ground.

And you know, I know

A little report, we've got some additional maintenance months, latest visit of the year.

A lot of it came, quite a bit of it came to Nelson County.

I know we were able to get a lot more replacements done on some of these unpaid records to help get them in a little better shape, but that was kind of a windfall for the county.

We did get some additional allocation from FY23, so if we're doing any more stuff, hopefully we can, we can get up, we'll get together this morning.

And for your information, I do have a multi-contract out for bids.

I couldn't fund it in FY23, but I am hoping that we get good bids on it and we can use it to mow the secondary system.

and F. Y.

24th.

Also, we talked about shoulder work on Saunders Hill.

And, you know, it's across from the depot, and he's under the impression

We designate that as a residential community that the speed limit could be reduced to 50 miles an hour.

And he claims that he could take care of that.

He could get that done if we as a board designate that as a residential area.

I do not know.

I don't know.

I mean, 90% of Nelson County is designated.

I know.

You're responding to a constituent.

I understand.

I don't think it impacts much going, I mean, I highly doubt us changing.

That is, that has been quite long.

And we have been in conversation for a variety of years, reached out to my office and he's reached out to Mr. Winston and we've done, we're a traffic study down there, we've done suddenly vehicles per day on the ADT.

As an existing 25-mile water speed limit sign, there have been zero crashes in the last seven years, I think.

And each end of the road has a curve on it that becomes traffic.

So far, we have not been able to prove the existing 25-mile power.

We're still working on it.

We're still looking at it.

I did not know that criteria, Mr. Harvey.

All right, he'll report back to you.

So a residential area is what you're saying?

I think it's Mr. Delenski.

He called.

The board was going to declare a residential area, a community, a residential community, he would do the work that would be necessary to get the speed limit down to 50.

I mean, it's not like two or three, what, 300 yards long or 500 yards long.

Other than the Livingston signs, do you think that's a fit in place of those intersections in the right-of-way?

Is there any note that we can look at?

To the right-of-way?

I'm not sure.

I was thinking from the Edgerton Center.

I do have one more thing.

In light of the Facebook, I want everyone to know, and just to help the tip, anyone can call 1-800-367-ROAD and report any road condition 24-7.

And it's a very efficient way to report a concern because when our TOC operator takes that call, they direct it immediately to the right area in the right person.

And you can do that anytime.

You don't have to wait once in a while to see me and give me a concern.

And I'm fine, obviously when you put something out there, you get a lot of responses.

And I'm fine with that.

I mean, that's good.

We won't feedback from the folks.

But you do not have to wait once in a while.

We will gladly put that out there.

Yes, sir.

Thank you, Jim.

Robert, thank you guys.

Any other questions for one of these?

Moving on to Firefly Report.

Good afternoon.

I'm glad to be able to get to you online and leave messages, because now we've got more recent progress.

I know, right.

I'm going to give you a quick update on that.

And I won't take up too much of your time.

I just have three slides to tell you where we stand.

But Nelson County is part of the game.

The CBC substationary is in Nelson County.

We have completed Colling and Gladstone, Martinsburg, Midway, and Wintergreen have all been completed for a while.

We're still connecting people there in any of those areas that sign up for service.

Our Masses Mill area of the Piney River substation has got about 60 people left to connect who are pre-registered.

The rest of them are connected in one service and down in the sky we've got about 100 or so.

left, we're actively connecting and finishing up in those two areas.

In Appalachian Power, I'm not going to read through that long list, but I will highlight a couple of them where we have just a little bit of construction left.

We've basically gotten finished with all the fiber construction in the county, except for, we have a little area at the end of Phoenix Road, southern Phoenix Road and Holland River, where

Apto is finishing up some May Grade work and then we'll put five routes.

So that's probably another month or two, probably two months before we're making final connections there.

We finished part of the construction between Honeywide Road and down through the Lake Road.

And then we found Apto had left out a couple little sections of May Grade.

They've gone back to finish that up.

It's about six or seven miles total.

in all of these places in the county.

So they're finishing that up.

We'll get that built and make connections there.

We're not making final connections yet.

Other than that, we are making final connections in just about, well, in all of these areas.

We've made a little more progress in the final connections in Arrington, Shipman.

Williamstown, we're finishing up this week with some final connections.

We've got about half of the folks done along

Roseland Road, Taylor's Creek Road, about half of those done.

We still have a good number to do it, Buffalo Mines, Henderson Store, Carroll Hall, West End, going up Piney River, where the county lines switch back and forth, which comes out of our temperance area.

We've got about 100

about 50 of those are probably in Nelson County.

So when you tow them all up, we've got about 850 folks left to connect.

Most of those, the construction zone, except for that last seven or eight miles of construction that's being finished up and spliced, we've got about 10,500 passings today.

5,250 folks that have service who want it from Fire Clock.

If you want to know about the entire county connections, there's probably another 1,500 folks who are either connected to another ISP provider who served off the original county provider, which we now hold sales to them.

about five or so, and probably another 1,000 off of another provider in the county that's mainly in Wintergreen and Stoney Creek.

So you can probably add another 1,500.

So when we finish, we'll finish these connections probably in the fall.

We may get to them by late summer, but for some of those areas, we were just finishing up construction maybe into the fall when we get to them.

Nelson County should have somewhere close to

paid 1,000 out of the 10,000 folks.

Everybody wants service.

We'll have service on fiber.

Other than a little area going up, Aspen Mountain, here, Dominion has power lines up there.

They are actively doing their field work and will build fiber on their main backbone, at least to us next year.

We'll build out, it's about 200 or so homes up there.

And then there's, in this that we don't have colored in yet, Sharonville Valley Electric Co-op serves about 25 homes in Nelson County and we'll build off of our project at the end of the CBT system there and go up the road and get those connected.

We'll get that designed

So other than these 250 homes by late this fall, you should have everybody wants internet service from Father Nelson County should have.

To give you a couple of tidbits to show you how far ahead Nelson County is, in the state of Virginia, I was telling the broadband authority earlier, the state of Virginia in the new FCC broadband maps, which is supposed to be much more

There are 350,000 total locations in the state of Virginia that have access to fiber optics today.

Fiberblock provides service to 40,000.

So when you think about that in the rural area of the state, and in Nelson County, you're going to have all the 250 locations have access to fiber this year.

A lot of those other areas in Northern Virginia, Richmond, Virginia Beach have cable and good cable internet that gives you a circle up, but here's the next one.

And congratulations to the county and thanks for all the support you've given us to get this far.

Total construction, I didn't put the numbers up here,

We did.

By the way, don't tell my board that.

I came in at 33 on a $25 million project.

But there are a couple of reasons at Grand Hop, and we understood in making some of the decisions that we would spend a little more, in some cases allow us to get service out a little quicker, in some cases it's just necessary.

There's a lot more rock over in the valley.

Getting into some of those places, setting new poles and filling new poles and those type things.

So that's a quick update.

We are still working and will, until we get everybody connected, then we'll work afterwards to connect anybody from here on who wants service from us.

We'll be making a last call to co-op numbers to let them know that we're going to

finish our waiver of our $100 sign-up fee.

We've been doing that since the start of construction, so we will start charging that $100 to folks on co-op who sign up after this.

Part of that's because we're going to go back and it's going to be less efficient.

We're going to be hitting here and there, putting the services in versus being able to go in more than one area at a time.

But we'll have service available from then on and we'll be able to keep up with whatever speed.

The question came earlier of what speed we can deliver.

We can offer 10 to do with today's business if they want.

We can offer 10 to give you a house if you want to pay for it.

But Fiverr allows you to go with speeds that go well beyond the present of service.

So the County is in a real good position.

Fireflies made good progress when we started in 2019.

I wanted to finish the CBC build out by 2023 and ATCO areas by 2024 and go finish a year.

So it's been a good project.

We're rolling really fast and Nelson County is in the forefront of it.

Good afternoon.

Thank you for allowing me to answer your question.

So we send letters to any of the residents of the Appalachian power areas just like the cooperative power areas.

So we invite them to come to a town hall so they can learn more about signing up.

And when their service is in place and the hardware is on the outside of the home, they are called and emailed directly from Firefly.

That email will say your home is ready for install.

Please give us a call so that we can schedule your appointment.

So lots of folks come home and find a new, we call it a NID, a Network Interface

On the outside of their home, it's near the thumb box.

If you have a land line that looks similar to a thumb box, it will be near your electric meter.

They come home and they see this big piece of hardware on their home and in 99% of the cases that means it is ready for you to call and make an appointment.

So if you feed us to the punch, you get your ID on the side of the house today and we would call you tomorrow.

We would get your information first thing in the morning.

And that's still available with a zero installation fee.

We're not charging the installation fee for those who sign up and take the service while we're working in the area.

So that service is still free.

The hardware is still provided free of charge.

No contracts, symmetrical up and downs, and unlimited data.

That's my PowerPoint plug.

And the same price we started with.

Are your maintenance crews and your installation crews the same people or are they different?

So we have internal employees that do the installs inside homes, but they also do troubleshooting inside homes if there's a problem.

On the outside homes, we've got line techs who do the fiber maintenance and troubleshooting, and we supplement them with contractors when we have larger albums.

So it's kind of two different skill sets, some folks who are out on the poles and bucket trucks somewhere to pick up some work in on each side.

So pulling somebody or an outside service issue pulls somebody away from new construction basically?

We don't do much of the construction itself, just about all of that we use contract, so we don't pull them away.

Any other questions?

Thank you all.

All right, Callan Hill.

Send shades off $2 million dollars, right?

I'm Jeff Stodgell.

Since April, we've been out in the field.

And this was a step of trying to determine whether we're going to have to deal with the rock during construction or not and how much, if that was a factor.

So this is a plot of the site and where you see B dash goes, say, 01 through 15.

Those are the borings of the patients.

All right, so for reference, this is

and obviously up to the north and the top of the high elevations are on the left side here.

So basically this produced good news we think for the project.

The middle of the site is mostly filled and I think anyone familiar with Topo probably would have recognized that based on the distribution, the black spot up here

and there's some accumulated fill in this area.

On the low side of this, we hit rock about 10 to 18 feet down and then on the upper slopes of the site up around 4 and 9 and 5, it's pretty close to the surface.

In this area we anticipate the building pads and parking lots are most feasible and we reach reasonably good stiff soil four to six feet down.

So it appears to us that the middle of this site is very developable and we only anticipate a lot of rock removal.

The extremities, I don't know if you have the other slide.

So I've turned the diagram a little bit here and north is to the right now.

These areas that are shaded are steep slopes and we really feel we have to stay away from those.

To develop in those areas is going to require retaining

to make use of them.

So trying to use the middle part of the site here is the goal.

And that leaves us with a viable strategy of coming in on the Calend Hill, coming up at a reasonable grade, and then reaching our parking areas in a consolidated area in the middle, and then bringing the buildings around it.

We think that's the most reasonable

They're in these blue labeled areas to the left and the middle and over here.

Those are also developable areas of the site so that if you wanted to put additional buildings up there or additional parking, those areas could take it most easily.

Trying to get further up the hill is going to be a more expensive undertaking.

What I came to report today is the preliminary results.

We should have a full geotechnical report available to you by July 1.

And I think the next step here would be to look to start the design to try to figure out how to move forward, confirm the site construction budget.

So that's one of I think the big unknowns.

The engineers will need to start

I think getting at the you know is there savings here we do think that this strategy

So that's where we are today.

I'm sure you met our new guy, right?

We did.

Earlier today.

Yeah.

He said you could shave off a few more million dollars if possible.

Well, we'll shave as much as we can off.

It ain't you, does it?

And you don't suspect in the coming 12 to 24 months that any major modifications to the cost

I don't see the environment improving.

Input inflation has leveled off.

What we haven't seen is any reduction in the construction costs.

It's in places, but there are other places where it's still going up.

It's mostly being driven by this labor problem that we have right now.

There are folks out there in my industry who pray for a recession.

I don't pray for a recession, but it takes a recession sometimes to push some of the cost out of the market.

So I don't think things are going to get substantially better.

Or I would say this, I don't see the environment producing a lower cost per construction, but I do think

As we move into the planning side of this, we have some choices to make.

The cross-hatched areas are areas where rock is fairly near the surface, so here and over here.

It's up near the surface, and we're trying to keep the parking areas and the building footprints out of those areas.

But we don't think that it's off limits to develop those areas.

We just probably are going to need to get

A little further into design, we may have to go in and do some additional soils work if the design begins to get into those areas.

Right now I'm trying to stay out of them.

Will the full report have any more detail on those areas?

It'll be a report and it'll have commentary about foundations and recommendations for pavement design.

It'll also have all the boring logs with

Any other questions at this time?

There you go.

Thank you.

I just wanted to add that we did meet with Mr. Burdette and the staff earlier today to kind of review everything that's been done to date.

He's going to take the space needs study back and just review that with a fine tooth comb and review it with his board and then we will meet with him again and just ensure that we're ready to proceed with the space needs as revised or not.

and then seek approval from the boards and move forward with design of the site.

Thank you all.

Planning and zoning department met with developers in October 2022 that were interested in cluster style housing development.

with a proposed higher density than is currently allowed by Nelson County Zoning Ordinance.

The Board of Supervisors passed a resolution in November 2022 requiring our current cluster housing development ordinance, Article 21, to the Planning Commission for the end development of the report, including but not limited to the requirements of Section 21-2, Area and Density, to the Board of Supervisors for consideration.

The Planning Commission finally held a work session on the topic on May 16th this year.

There was much discussion relating to density, minimum area, minimum lot size, units per lot, open space management and requirements, utilities and infrastructure, conservation and design criteria, targeted locations, affordable housing, and review and approval process.

There was discussion regarding water and sewer availability and capacity or the current lack of,

The Planning Commission addressed the fact that much of the information that is and will be needed to make a complete and informed analysis and recommendation is currently being worked through with a comprehensive plan update process and subsequent recommendations for zoning and subdivision ordinance updates.

I think it would be appropriate that once the comprehensive plan is done and we give ordinance recommendations from the partners, that would be a great time to give them a test across your housing.

I think that makes more sense at this time.

Any questions for Dylan?

Thank you, Dylan.

All right, so moving on to new and unfinished business.

We had agreed to move the budget adoption of R2023-40.

and our budget appropriation R2023-41 is about the agenda.

Good afternoon.

Each of you has in your packet, as is being shown on the screen there for the public, an adoption or a resolution for the adoption of the budget as presented at the 99th public hearing.

There have been no changes since that hearing and no changes subsequent to the following workshop with the board after the hearing.

The FY24 budget presented to the Board of Supervisors of Public Hearing on May 9th is balanced.

The general fund has to use equally expenditures at $50,222,334.

All funds are balanced within the FY24 budget, the total budget being $93,052,486.

And again, no budgetary changes have been made since the public hearing on May 9th.

As regulated by the Code of Virginia, subsection 15.2-2506, the budget public hearing is required at least seven days prior to the budget approval.

And this is also explained further in subsection 15.2-2503.

The budget public hearing held on May 9th more than adequately meets this requirement with allowing today

There were other highlights that were also noted, but I think the board has already been well aware of these.

I thought we were going to discuss that.

and VDOT.

But I see it was not on the agenda.

I thought it was for anything.

So, you know, it's fine.

We can deal with a bunch today.

Yes, absolutely.

The timing might be critical because we have discussed a six-month introduction period to give the businesses an opportunity to not have to

And I apologize to the board.

My understanding after our last work session was that you would advise me when to put it back on the agenda, that it wouldn't be an automatic next agenda item.

And that was the general consensus that I had.

Can we get a motion to approve the resolution R-2023-40 adoption budget as presented?

So move the motion Mr. Parr.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

Second from Mr. Reed.

Is there any further discussion?

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Mr. Martin?

Yes.

Yes.

Mr. Reed?

Yes.

Then the second most important part is the appropriation of our budget, which is R2023-41.

We get a motion to approve resolution R2023-41 fiscal year 2023-2024 appropriation of funds.

So moved.

Motion for Mr. Reed is there a second?

I'll second.

Second from Mr. Barton.

Is there any further discussion?

Mr. Barton?

Yes.

Mr. Barton?

Yes.

Yes.

Mr. Rutherford?

Yes.

OK. Another bunch of gear down.

Congratulations.

You did it.

Last minute.

And this was Linda's first budget, and she did a great job.

Seriously.

Definitely a great presentation.

This is more of a housekeeping matter, whereas our county code was amended in 2002.

However, the

newly adopted articles of incorporation were not sent to the SEC as they should have been and administration was advised to do so by Mr. Payne but however it fell through the cracks.

So we are revisiting this by asking the board to conduct a public hearing that would amend the articles of incorporation of the Nelson County Service Authority.

We have in practice had five members, one appointed from each district from within the county.

And this public hearing would be to amend those articles of the corporation formally as such.

And we are asking you all to adopt Resolution 2023-39, which would authorize a public hearing for August 8, 2023 at 7 p.m.

Section 15.2-5104 requires the public hearing notice be at least 30 days prior to the public hearing.

And that's why we have August 8th as the proposed date.

I believe we say it currently states four members.

No, I believe it currently has five.

I move we adopt resolution R-2023-39, Nelson County Board of Supervisors authorization for public hearing.

We have a motion.

We have a second.

Mr. Harvey is waiting for the discussion.

We'll do all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any objections or abstentions?

Aye.

Moving on to LBFD, Reimburseer, Closer Generator, Mcgine.

The generators of all of these fire outlets and rescues for the building in the county are ranging in age from 20 to 30 years old.

We've replaced a couple at one job before the pre-inverse for that a few years ago.

We're working, John Adkins and I currently have submitted a bid, a grant through Virginia Department of Emergency Management, to get them all replaced in the county with exception of one degree for the price of one.

We haven't been awarded that yet, but we're very hopeful.

In the meantime, this winter, the Wing John generator we've been throwing money at for years, it finally failed.

We sent the people down to look at it, unless we were going to invest about $4,000 in the generator that was a 1991 model.

After all the other problems we had, we decided that we hadn't replaced it.

It was brought up at the council meeting.

We ordered the generator, Bruce Ward,

We all tried to work with them and did the work.

We couldn't open the doors.

Our heat was in question.

The only thing we could do is if they would call us and the power went out, we'd have to go and try to get the generator started.

And then when the power came back on, we got to go cut it off.

Nothing was working the way it was designed.

So we got to a point where we were not going to put any money in it.

Therefore, it was ordered and replaced.

So it came in with a price of $11,208 to buy or call to pay for that.

Because that's an evacuation shelter in an emergency building, we were asking for reimbursement to that general record.

I guess this went before the council.

The council was aware that it was an emergency repair, so we didn't have to do a full formal vote, but they were aware that I had to do it.

Correct, but this happened before that.

In the meantime, John has found the ground through Virginia Falls Emergency Management.

We did the paperwork, we got all the quotes, we sent everything in.

If we're awarded it, we could get as much as $4 million.

And that applies to how many generations?

It's 11, I think.

I don't have that with me.

But it was basically every fire rescue agency in the county, they would upgrade to full evacuation summers for Lovingston because we currently don't have that.

That building is not capable of running in full capacity.

We always use it.

Like this winter, we have to use it to prepare those out, but it's not 100%.

If this grant goes

I made a Lovingston, Rockfish, and thought it would be fully operational buildings.

We've never had that in the sky.

And the total of the grand deals?

248,000, I think, something like that.

Yeah.

We're right at 250,000.

That's great.

We have a motion to approve the Reimbursement Request from the generator of the New China Fire Station.

Do we have a second?

Second from Mr. Harvey.

Any further discussion?

Any discussion?

We'll do a vote by acclimation.

All those in favor say aye.

Any objections or abstentions?

Hearing none.

And on behalf of Lovingston, there's the fire chief and also the president of emergency services.

So we really appreciate y'all's continued support.

We're all involved in the situation.

We're in a hyper mode of trying to keep up with population and traffic.

So, you know, the involvement here doesn't work very well.

We don't have the same people for money all the time.

So thank you for what you do.

All right.

This is basically just an extension of what you're doing for Mr. Bliles.

I will tell the members of the board that the numbers that we are seeing in the court are steady.

And obviously when you go from an office of three to an underground office of what's going to be one and a half, I'm certainly going to need some assistance.

I mean, I think Mr. Bliles has worked out really well.

So I'm asking for this.

In addition,

He has asked for a slight increase in his hourly rate.

He's currently hourly compensated at $45 an hour and he's asking for $12.50.

Again, that's at the board.

That's just his request that I told him I would present.

We are going to continue as the letter indicates.

You ask the compensation board to continue to reimburse the county.

First of all, I was unaware that an increase had been requested, so I'm going to report to you what that same amount

would be between July 1st and September 30th, provided it was at the current rate, and it is actually 45.60 an hour is the current rate.

They're anticipating approximately 16 hours per week, and it's a 13-week period of time.

That, with the FICA, comes to a total of $10,210.39, and as Mr. Ball explained,

So the comp board reimburses?

In full, yes.

Now, I do not know if the comp board will do that for an increased pay.

Any questions for Linda?

Okay, thank you.

What else is there?

There's nothing else to do, so.

Okay.

Action raised.

Maybe I should ask the question.

And how long was the extension for?

This person is being paid by the hour.

Correct.

He would be increasing his hours for what we were asking him to do, but we are paying him at a certain...

He can only do a certain number of hours that he's going to be reimbursed.

You're pleased with what he has been doing for us?

Yes, and I can tell you personally it's going to be entirely invaluable.

I don't want to go through much court stuff, but I will tell you a very wise lawyer told me a long time ago that 10% of your cases take 90% of your time.

And it tends to be the cases you don't think.

And usually it happens that a lot of the misdemeanor cases we have in the general district court and juvenile court take the longest amount of time.

That is primarily what these cases are.

because it allows me to focus on the felony cases that you're going to go through which tend to be the higher priority cases or take the more time at the higher priorities.

So that's what he has been handling as we anticipated.

judgment on the quality of his work or his dignity or anything like that.

It's kind of tough to okay a raise on the spot.

It just seems to me that it would certainly make more sense at least until we get something back to see if it's going to be covered to not approve a raise of any sort unless we understand exactly what that might

We could consider what that raise might be and then it would also give us an opportunity to try to do something that's more in line to what we're doing with other staff.

That was actually going to be my suggestion if you just raised your original question Mr. Reed was I was going to suggest let's keep him at the right that he's at for the time being.

I was just going to remind the board that you have a joint work session with the Planning Commission on June 29th.

We can come back and see if there's any modifications.

We didn't make a motion to approve the extension.

The extension at the 45-16.

So I'll make a motion.

So moved.

We have a motion to approve the request at the 45-16 hour.

Do we have a second?

I'll second.

Do we have a second?

from the comp board if we are considering a raise as opposed to actually having done it.

I can tell you I have a really good contact with the comp board and I can tell you I have a really good contact with the comp board and she gives me really unofficial positions.

So what I can do with Robin is associate with my contact with the comp board and say this is what our approval is.

What if we were to do this?

And Robin can give me

We have a motion.

We have a second.

Yes, Linda?

I was just going to make one more comment.

In regard to the comp board, when this gentleman first came on board back in January, we did not know at that time that the comp board would cover him.

And the board had it authorized for him to work through June at x number of dollars into the budget, at which time the comp board did approve it.

And so we got that money back.

We'll look back to hear from Maureen from that inquiry.

Opposed and seconded for the discussion.

And the discussion will do a vote of acclamation.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Any objections, abstentions?

Hearing none, the motion is approved.

New and unfinished business is done.

Let's take a quick five minute restroom break.

Okay.

As always, I will start my report with the comprehensive plan.

Our project website, www.melson2042.com, is still up and running.

We have an additional joint work session of the Board of Supervisors and Planning Commission, which will be held June 29th at 6 p.m. and this will entail our review of the final draft chapters and the implementation matrix.

Our FY 23 budget status, most of our expenditures are tracking as expected with a few exceptions that were higher than budgeted and these were included for adjustment in the budget amendment you all approved earlier today.

These increases were able to be fully covered by remaining contingency funds.

As of June 12, local revenues exceeded budgeted amounts by 1.46% or $529,194.

This is primarily due to the exponential growth in the lodging tax revenue and interest on investments.

Our state revenues exceed budgeted amounts by 0.29% or $14,939.

And this is primarily due to the state's reimbursement of its share of increased TSA expenses.

Federal revenue received is less than budgeted by about 30.77% or $391,000.

primarily due to lower than anticipated reimbursement for lower expenditures related to Department of Social Services Administration.

Our end of fiscal year expenditure payments will be made over the next couple of days with final payments made at the end of the month.

There was no change in the FY24 state budget status.

We're still working from the governor's budget with the adoption of the skinny budget.

So we're still waiting to hear what the legislators are going to do in the upcoming months.

Our Nelson County Adult Drug Coordinator, Christopher Weedle, was hired and began work on May 31st.

The first team meeting was held and they began doing referrals last week.

The team is waiting to hear back from a number of defendants about their interest in the program and they are working to identify more potential participants with the hope to get the first participant into the program before the end of the month.

This court will be conducted weekly on Tuesdays at 1230 in Circuit Court.

The opioid abatement authority grant award has happened.

The regional application to the state opioid abatement authority that benefits the member localities of region 10 including Nelson, Charlottesville, Albemarle, Louisiana, Green, and Louisa was approved contingent upon an operational agreement or MOU being put in place with all partners prior to the dispersal of the funds.

This grant will fund the expansion of Region 10 crisis response and CTAC services and community outreach services that are currently available to its members.

And it's about a $1.3 million grant.

Our Virginia Outdoors Foundation PTF grant for the Sturt Park did not get selected.

The county was notified that the Board of Trustees did not select the project for the Sturt Nature Park for funding this grant round.

They did receive 26 applications for Preservation Trust Fund grants and we were advised that the selection process included a review of applications as well as an analysis of community demographics, valuable ecological, historical, and cultural resources, recreational opportunities, and environmental justice data.

Jerry West will be scheduling an application feedback session with VOF for some time this week.

The Fall 2023 grant round will be announced in late June or early July and approximately $1.8 million will be available for the state and PTF program.

Those grant awards will be made at the Board of Trustees meeting in October 2023.

We do intend to resubmit an application.

Is there any other feedback from supervisors on when to get that scheduled with architectural partners?

Yeah, it might be in correspondence with Mr. Parr, see what his availability is.

Let's say in the next couple of weeks or two, three weeks.

We do have that joint meeting of the 29th.

I don't know if there's any advantage for us to do like that before that.

We might also be very dead.

Yeah, in the month of June, it would be advantageous.

In the month of June, you think?

June, maybe, you know.

So they would just come back and review with you some preliminary master planning in terms of where they took the priorities you all discussed and gave to them in the last work session we had.

Yeah, they will have done some of that and you all can look at

Sure, sure.

We did have the site visit with them a few months ago, and it was actually in the minutes that we approved the fact that we had that site visit down.

Okay, I'll check with them and see when they can maybe do that in either June or July and make sure everybody can be present and send in as far as something's coming up.

Alright, well last week I attended the BLGMA conference, which is the Virginia Local Government Management Association conference.

I did meet a variety of my counterparts from across the state.

The theme of the conference was Thinking Outside the Box, which included some interactive sessions on personal and interpersonal wellness, creative management approaches for celebrating our differences and promoting unity, outside the box thinking and economic development, and community revitalization, and that was more centered around regional collaboration.

Intergovernmental Relations in a New Era for General Assembly, and opioid abatement authority grant opportunities and best practices for securing grants collaboratively, and urban placemaking and community development to celebrate diverse perspectives.

It was a great conference.

It just felt like, you know, we were all a community of managers trying to do the best we could for our community and just sharing those ideas and realizing, hey, I'm not alone.

There are other people out there like me trying to do the same thing for their community.

So it just felt good to get out and connect with those people and hear different ideas and share those with others.

I'll put in a plug here for the Juneteenth celebration.

This will be held as you heard at the Nelson Heritage Center on June 18th at 3 p.m. supported by a funding contribution of the board.

It will include a formal program discovering our roots and will feature an art exhibit, photographs, and stories from a local family and an exhibit on the history of Nelson County Public Schools integration.

This will be followed by lunch and activities on the lawn.

We also have Fourth of July celebrations coming up.

The Lovingston Volunteer Fire Department has organized community Fourth of July celebration events including a creative Lovingston on July 2nd from 5.30 to 8 p.m. and we're funding from the Board of Supervisors a fireworks display to be held at sunset which is approximately 9.15 to 9.20 on July 3rd.

This will be held at the Nelson County High School.

Inspectimeters will be parked in the front parking lot and adjacent field in front of the school to provide for safe distancing from the launch area.

And then lastly, the Nelson County Service Authority rate increase public hearing will be June 15th.

That's Thursday at 8.30 a.m. at their administrative offices in Cote D. And then you all have received the staff reports from the country.

Mr. Irvin, Mr. Reed.

One TJPDC report on Friday, I think, and Dylan and I are going to be on the Zoom with

with a committee for the Regional Transit and Governance Study that's going on where they're trying to put together the best mechanism to generate and manage additional funding for the region.

Don't believe I am.

OK. We'll carry on.

So they're having just a special meeting with us to find out from Dylan and myself what our specific needs are in the county for that study and how we might be able to get some money for some additional transit projects.

infrastructure.

So that's coming up on Friday, so that's across the board.

All right.

Had the time shares with my district meetings, you know, we're ready to talk more about housing.

Partnership stuff, we are looking at doing hopefully another study.

I think many of you may recall when we had that data from 2018-19 time period, we may have seen it in brief time right before COVID, just talking about the portability metrics, what we see as a region.

We're hopefully looking to do that again and get re-updated.

As we know, the cost is the most real

I'm pretty astronautable, coupled with 70% interest rates.

So we're going to hopefully do another affordability study of sorts just to see what we look like as a region once again.

As it relates to any other major items, I'm trying to think if there was a major that I also intended to have a ton of correspondence that I need to go through.

So I'll skip the rest and get through that.

Moving on to appointments.

Alright, so we have a few appointments today.

Nelson County Economic Development Authority, Mr. Larry Saunders had been appointed to an unexpired term.

He does wish to serve again along with John Revere who completed a regular term and he also wishes to serve.

We did not receive any other applicants.

So Nelson County EDA, are you okay with Larry and John serving again?

Mr. Harvey, is that a motion?

We have a motion for Mr. Harvey to approve both Larry and John.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

Second from Mr. Reed.

Is there any further discussion?

Any objections or abstentions?

Larry Dunn, Larry, and John will be appointed.

Jim Powell was over there, and he was frozen.

All right, let's go on.

Can we get a motion to approve the Thomas Jefferson Area Community Criminal Justice Board?

So moved.

Good motion from Ms. Reed.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second from Mr. Barton.

Any further discussion?

If you have no discussion, we'll do a vote of animation.

Any objections or abstentions?

You're done.

We are waiting on the application.

It is by district.

So this is for the central district position.

Ms. Jane Strauss had been appointed and she had passed away.

Mr. Parr, that's in your district.

You move to put Claudia back on?

Yep.

We have a motion to put Ms. Vankova back on DSS.

Second.

Any further discussion?

Hearing none, we'll do a vote.

All those in favor, say aye.

Aye.

Any objections or abstentions?

Hearing none.

Yes, we have Dana Quillen has served the first term on the Java Board of Directors, and she would like to continue serving.

I move to point Dana Quillen to the Java Board of Directors.

Okay, we have a motion.

We have a second.

Second.

Great.

Yes.

And I know Mr. Parr had indicated that he would like to serve.

I can do it if y'all want me to.

What we can do is we can do one bus and whoever can make it the other goes.

We can do something like that.

All right, Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

All right, we'll put Mr. Harvey on.

Someone make a motion to put Mr. Harvey on.

I make a motion.

All right, motion for Mr. Harvey to be on.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second.

Yes, I'm refined with that, Mr. Harvey.

And I'll be your, if you can't make it, I'm going to go in your spot.

All right?

Great.

Motion, we have a second.

All those in favor, say aye.

All right, there's another Robert on this topic because I got a email from Farm Bureau.

They would like to have two board members attend an event on July 27th at 6.

This is just to talk about some of their items.

Mr. Parr, I talked to him.

He indicated he was interested in going.

Do any of you all wish to go?

What was it about?

They just want to talk about Farm Bureau related items.

And talk a little bit about Farm Bureau.

About what?

Farm Bureau?

Anyone else here wish to attend that?

All right, I'll go.

I don't think we really need to make a motion to answer.

All right, so it's Mr. Parr and I.

I just have one more thing.

Yes, ma'am.

So next month, we have now three representatives on the ACRJ jail board.

Mr. Barton is our third representative.

When y'all voted that in last year,

We made it to where it could be either a board member or a citizen member.

Now this one year term will run out next month, so that's something to decide.

Mr. Barton would like to continue in that capacity.

He could certainly do that because the position is flexible.

Could we do that now?

Anything else before we leave the appointments?

We're going to move on to correspondence.

Mr. Reed, you go first.

Okay, correspondence.

So other than VDOT, items which I will forward out to VDOT.

It was very interesting to hear about the issues with mowing.

I had a few other correspondence recently.

One of them, and I need some staff's help with figuring this out, was the method of assessment for personal property.

So if you have a vehicle, it is my understanding.

I had a little bit of correspondence with our Commissioner of Revenue.

I don't know if she also told you that they use 90% of retail.

Gotcha.

So is my understanding, and I'm just curious because I've never heard this, is what is the metrics?

You look at a vehicle, do you take mileage into consideration?

I know tags, obviously, are a factor.

You know how that works.

I'd like to kind of understand that a little bit better, what the method of that assessment is and the deciders of that

But I'd just like to confirm that.

And the only reason I bring it up is I've had some constituents bring up that they have very depreciated vehicles and they're extremely high mileage.

Of course, you know, there's a big difference between a J.D.

Power assessment versus a Kelly Blue book.

And I believe there's metal in the cart bags or something of that nature.

So I'll be interested to kind of learn a little bit more about that.

You can just email me at it.

I'm curious, what happens for let's say an AP vehicle?

Is that a personal property?

I hope so.

Which is funny because those things can be like a hundred thousand dollars.

Yeah, Model T shows up, yeah.

There's one guy who drives one around.

So that was the response there, Farm Bureau.

There's another metric that I kind of wanted to see more info on in one of the reports related to Commissioner Revenue.

shows what we bring in monthly for transient occupancy.

Is there any chance that you might be able to make a graph of what year-over-year looks like?

I just want to see what May last year compared to May this year looks like, especially since the method of enforcement changed in October.

I was just kind of hoping if we could see that year-over-year, what the monthly revenues are, what that change could look like.

So we're going to continue to discuss transient occupancy

I want to be able to see how enforcement has impacted that.

I think that would be an interesting one.

OK. Yeah, I'm not sure if her.

Her reports don't provide that.

Her numbers may or may not match up with our financial accounting system.

I have to double check that.

I'm not sure.

Just in case you're looking at our revenue reports and then you're looking at her report, they may not match up exactly.

It would be interesting to look at the trends in terms of business license for short-term rentals.

Both those that are continuing, how many we have and how many have closed out over the

Amanda, the business license revenue is greater than budgeted.

Sure.

Thank you.

All right, so as far as I know, that's called the course model.

But the personal property assessment method, I would certainly be more interested in how that's decided.

what maybe some of the folks around us do as well.

Yeah, a direct directive.

Alright, Mr. Harv.

Great, let's get a motion to be staffed.

Is there anything else before we continue our meeting to seven o'clock?

All right, let's get a motion to continue the meeting at seven.

Second.

Second from Mr. Reed.

All those in favor, say aye.

Aye.

You guys.

So do you think that that is appropriate?

Comments?

Rules are three minutes to speak.

You get five minutes.

Being close to your three or five minutes, Jeremy, I recommend you have 30 extra seconds to finish your thoughts.

Both.

Is this on?

I'm Bo Gelk.

I live at 173 Roseland, Roseland, Virginia.

I wanted to come up here tonight to mention to you something that I'd like to have included in the minutes so that people will know.

We recently lost a true native of Nelson County, John Albright Roberts, Jr., also known as Johnny.

He grew up on Hickory Creek down in Fallbrook as a kid, worked in the alcohol orchard, worked travel, grew up that way, came to the new high school and graduated in the class of 57 after being in the band and served a lot of functions, went in the Army for two years, served his country in the Army, came back to Roseland Army, went to Virginia Tech, graduated from Virginia Tech,

Virginia Tech got a degree, came back to Nelson County, and started teaching in this county, in the middle school, in the high school, shop and horticulture plants, FFA involved in that, took kids to many meetings, many conferences where they were, came back with the new movements,

Thirty years teaching in the schools of Nelson County, which we know was not a multi-million dollar paying job, which was a very important job for what the hundreds of lives that you touched, the kids stuff, and what you taught them, and what those teachers taught them, and several of them ran this show.

last Saturday was wearing their FFA jackets with their medals on it that they had won.

Then in retirement they became an older person.

He took charge of the class for a year.

Nelson took high school.

He organized them.

He was on Facebook.

He took everybody informed on who was ill, who was sick, who was in, who was out.

It got to the point that his family

moved in to Richmond about three and a half, four years, where they could take care of them.

They still stayed on Facebook and kept us informed.

It's just an outstanding person, a true, true friend of Nelson County.

It just touched so many people's lives.

And I just wanted to mention it to you so that it doesn't end in the minutes.

Maybe 100 years from now somebody will come back and read those minutes and say, well, that was a Daniel Baruda, that was a Henry Crockett, you know, in Nelson County instead of going around somewhere.

Thank you very much.

You know, thank you.

You did it.

All right.

Anyone else wish to speak in public comments?

Your what?

My relative.

I don't know that.

I don't know it.

All right, anyone else want to speak in public comments?

Very none.

That was the public comment section of the spirit.

We are now going to go into public hearings.

At this time, we will ask staff to present what's on the agenda.

We will then ask the applicant to come up if they're here.

Talk a little bit, we'll ask questions to staff and the applicant briefly, and then go to the public hearing.

We will open the public hearing and then ask any further questions we may have, and then hopefully do some voting.

This is a request for a special use permit to allow a vacation house on Split Dome property, of which the majority is zoned R1 residential.

After Mountain Road 795 in the North District, this property is 2.16 acres.

It was recently subdivided and contains an existing single family dwelling.

The narrative provided by the applicants indicates the dog has been vacant for at least 20 years and requires significant renovation to be debatable again.

The narrative also indicates that the owners intend to use it as a personal residence in the long term and are currently located less than half an hour away.

The owners recently acquired the property and are proposing to utilize the dog as a vacation house, which is a short-term rental less than 30 days.

A vacation house is a buy-ride use if it were

Majority zone A1, but because it's majority zone R1 is why we need a special use permit.

The property is not permitted to be subdivided and cannot place any more dwellings on the property.

There is residential in nature with some agriculture located near Avon.

There are no floodplains.

Last year in 2022, SUP 690 for a vacation house in R1 also on African Mountain Road was approved by the board.

It's accessed by an existing private entrance.

There's existing stuff to do well on the property.

And the comprehensive future land use map is located in an area designated Rural Residential.

At their meeting in April, the Planning Commission recommended approval five to zero with an additional year to establish the use, which would give them two years from the date of approval.

The reason being their significant renovation instead needs to be done.

All right.

You want to introduce yourself?

Hi, I'm Deke Ealy, Richard, my wife Nancy, and I just want to say thank you guys for doing the hard work at Nelson County Grade.

We love this area.

Nancy's 32 years into teaching second graders.

It's part of the fabric.

I'd like to see it still be there and I'd like to be able to enjoy it and I'd like everybody who comes by that property and drives down Afton Mountain Road to be able to see it and see part of Nelson County.

But it's a big lift.

We do plan to be here very frequently, you know, weekends and holidays.

Again, we're a half hour, less than a half hour drive, so we can be here if there's any trouble.

Right now there are no homes on the adjacent properties.

They are just a big box.

But we look forward to having neighbors when they decide to build theirs.

We'll have rules and keep a good eye on what's going on down here.

This is a little different in that it's been empty for so long it's not much of an existing house.

It needs to be, you know, we're already tearing off

Go ahead, Hjul.

Anybody have any questions for the applicant before we go to the public hearing?

OK, now let's go to the public hearing.

Thank you, guys.

Have a seat real quick.

All right, we are now going to open up public hearing for special use permit number 898, vacation house.

Is there anyone here who wishes to speak?

Hearing none, we'll now close the public hearing for special use permit 898 Vacation Hall.

Alright, so you want to approve with the Planning Commission's conditions?

Yes.

Okay, we have a motion, do we have a second?

Yes.

A second from Mr. Barton.

Any further discussion?

Mr. Harvey?

Yes.

Yes.

Mr. Reed?

Yes.

Mr. Rutherford?

Yes.

Thank you guys.

Have a great day.

This is a request for a Special Use Permit to allow an outdoor entertainment venue for weddings among properties found able in agriculture at 3578 S. Powell's Island Road in the South District.

This property is 111.57 acres.

The engineer for the project is AccuPoint Surveying and Design.

The owner is Zach Morse.

The property currently contains an existing single-family dwelling.

This is the whole property, and that's the sealment of the insert.

Here's the existing dwelling.

The owner is proposing to construct a 5,000 square foot venue for the purpose of hosting weddings.

Category 1 and Category 2 events, exempt events, such as social temporary events,

Those are all permitted by Wright and the A1 Agriculture District without permanent facilities or infrastructure.

The construction of the venue constitutes a need for the special use permit.

The owner is also proposing to construct four one-bedroom cabins to be utilized as vacation houses.

Dwellings and the short-term rental of them are permitted by Wright, so that aspect should not be considered with this SCP request.

There is residential and agricultural nature.

Zoning and vicinity is A1.

There are no floodplains.

Should the special needs permit be approved, a major site plan would come back to the planning commission due to the size of the structure.

Properties accessed by an existing entrance on South Kyle's Island Road.

A speed study submitted by AccuPoint was accepted by VDOT and will be utilized for the design of the commercial entrance.

Parking requirements indicate one space for each 100 square feet of area.

The calculation will be confirmed upon site plan approval.

There's existing septic and wall on the property that serves the existing dwelling, but new proposed septic and drain film will serve the proposed event venue, as well as the cabins, and the engineers currently working with the health department.

The site plan indicates the approximate limits of

1.75 acres, which requires approval of an erosion and sediment control plan and stormwater management plan by DEQ.

SCP-326 for a similar event venue on Irish Road was approved by the Board without conditions in August of 2021.

The Board did grant a one-year extension on the SCP approval to avoid enough time for the DEQ stormwater plan review.

This allowed the owner up to two years to diligently pursue construction and an associated site plan was approved in January 2023.

The property is located in an area designated Rural and Farming in the Future Land Use Map.

Good evening.

My name is Amy Seidt.

I'm the support engineer and majority leader in acupoint surveying and design.

Mr. Zach Morse is also here as well in the audience.

He can help answer any questions if you have those.

Dylan gave a great presentation, so I'll just follow up with some of the details.

The venue will be agriculture and nature.

Because it's 111 acres,

The Morse family would like to keep this in the nature of farm land and is also considering some conservation as well as other types of farming that are for agricultural use specifically allowed by right.

So Mr. Morse's brother, Daryl, also lives in the adjacent property so this is continued land.

So we have evaluated the drain fields and found a sufficient area for the cabins and the

Evan Barnes, as Ellen mentioned.

So we feel that those will be more than adequate to serve those.

And I'm happy to answer any specific questions.

We did request the extension just because of the new time frame.

It takes a little longer these days.

So we just want to make sure we get that sorted out.

What was that time frame?

I think it was an extra year.

I've been away for 20 years.

I'm tired of that.

First year I got a house that wouldn't work for a farmer near Nelson County.

And he told me, he said, son, I'll give you a farm after I can borrow it.

But you still get all the baby.

And I'm living with that.

and even for the U.S.E.A.

today, stating that agritourism, tourism, you got to bring the people to the farm in order to make a profit today.

We're still planning the farm, but we've got to make decisions and make money.

And that's the bottom line.

We've got to make money in order to survive.

What does he have?

I used to work for my granddaddy on the pig farm over at Shipman.

To know the family is to know that they can do it and just wish you the best of luck that they have.

There's no other questions, let's go on to public hearing.

Thank you, sir.

All right, we will now open the public hearings for special use permit 9899, outdoor entertainment venue.

Is there anyone who wishes to speak?

Harry Naum, we will now close the public comment section in reference to special use permit B-99 for entertainment venue.

Yeah, I'm all about this.

He's got to put at least two York Showers on.

I don't think we can put that on there.

We have a motion and a second.

Second to Mr. Harvey.

Any further discussion?

Any discussion?

Mr. Harvey.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Thank y'all.

It's a request for a Special Use Permit to allow an addition to an existing single family dwelling on property zone B1 Business, 117 Center Home Lane in Gladstone in the South District, owned by Ricky and Judy McFadden.

Property contains an existing single family dwelling that was constructed in the 50s,

Single family drawings require a special use permit in the B1 district.

Therefore, the use is now considered non-performing.

The ordinance states that a non-performing use cannot be expanded or enlarged in any way that increases its non-conformity.

Therefore, the special use permit is required to permit the requested addition.

There are no side yard setback requirements in the B1 district.

Want to join them as a B1 property.

There is residential in nature with some agriculture,

the area joins the railroad is the James River zoning in the area is newer business that's the reds this whole neighborhood right here and here's the house we're talking about yellows are residential and everything else is aquaculture the property is accessed by an existing private entrance there's existing subject and well the property is located in an area designated rural and farming and the future land use path

It's now their meeting in May.

Does the applicant appear?

Brady McBadden, 117 Summit Hill, Lane Blackstone.

The reason why this is to get handicapped in-laws and also walk also and my parents, we're going to have a parent because the wife says she's not putting her parents at the national.

So we need to know that for him because he can't get a wheelchair and he doesn't want to be able to have it.

I didn't build your house today.

I feel like Josh's house.

Yeah.

Great Scott.

Okay.

I saw the name.

I had to make sure I wasn't abstaining.

I got you.

Okay.

I wasn't yours.

Good.

I was just seeing that name and I had to think about it for two seconds.

Sounds good.

Any questions for the applicant before we go to the public hearing?

Thank you, sir.

Alright.

Thank you.

Alright, we will now open up the public hearing for Special Use Permit 927, Single Family Welling.

Is there anyone who wishes to speak?

Hearing none, we will now close the public comment section at this time.

What was the pleasure of the floor?

Special Use Permit 927 with the conditions provided.

All right.

We have a motion.

Do we have a second?

I'll second.

Second from Mr. Reed for the discussion.

Mr. Harvey.

Yes.

Mr. Harvey.

Yes.

Mr. Reed.

Mr. Harvey.

Yes.

Have a good one.

All right.

Alright, this is a request for a special use permit in properties owned by V1 Business to allow for brewery use within an existing structure at 2188 Rockfish Valley Highways and Central District.

This property is 3.23 acres owned by the Phillips Valley Mount Holdings LLC as the management agency for the older businesses on the property and the applicant is Eli Yborhini who is not able to be here this evening.

Special Use Permit 2019-03 was approved by the Board of Supervisors on January 14, 2020 with the condition that the total square footage for both public space and production areas not to exceed 1200 square feet.

The former owner was not able to establish the use within the required one-year time frame before he passed away and therefore the special use permit expired.

The applicants proposed the same request to carry out Brent Phillips's vision.

there's a building you can see 151 is up here then if you flip around 151 is down here you're looking at the building Blue Ridge pigs on this end this is the brewery location there is commercial residential and agricultural nature current uses on this property include multiple long-standing commercial operations

Residential units, storage, and agricultural buildings.

The western boundary of the property is located in a floodplain, however there are no structures in the floodplain.

The property is accessed from Rockfish Valley Highway.

The entrance directly north of the car wash is then closed as previously recommended by VDOT and they do not have any additional comments.

The property is served by private well and septic systems.

The health department indicated an engineer will be required to assess the current operation and capacity of the system to determine if it is sufficient or requires modification from the prairie.

Nellysford area is designated as the county's only neighborhood mixed-use development model.

In the future, that also includes an area labeled south of Nellysford, which is designated as a rural residential district model.

All right.

Is the applicant here?

They are not here to speak.

All right.

Well, the Planning Commission recommended unanimous approval.

It was approved in 2019 as well, or beginning of 2020.

Since it's the same application, staff recommendation would be to... Did you foresee any problems in the application?

Let's go to the public hearing real quick.

All right, we will now open the public hearing for special use permit number 928.

Is there anyone here who wishes to speak in reference to special use permit 928?

Hearing none, we will now close the public hearing for special use permit 928.

Is there any further questions for staff?

This is a request for a special use permit to allow vacation house use in an existing dwelling on properties of R1 residential, located at 333 Sunrise Drive and Afton in the North District, owned by James and the Boyer.

The property contains an existing single-family dwelling.

The narrative provided by the applicants indicates that they primarily use the dwelling as a second home to visit family in the area, and in the long term, intend to relocate there for retirement.

They're requesting to utilize the dwelling as a vacation house or a short-term rental with maximum of four guests.

According to the application, the adjoining dwellings are currently utilized as long-term rentals, and the family in the area would be caretakers of the home when the owner's home is down.

There is residential in nature with some agricultural uses.

As you can see, the north side of Sunrise Drive is under A1 agriculture, while the south side is under Arland residential.

There are no floodplains.

The property is accessed by an existing shared entrance on Sunrise Drive.

There's existing well and septic.

The property is located just south of Avon, an area designated rural residential.

At their meeting in May, the Community Commission recommended approval four to one of the special use permits for the board.

I had prepared some comments, but he pretty much aced it, so thanks.

We're here before you, as she said, we want to be able to offset some expenses here in our home.

Mr. Reed, who's obviously there, we first approached this really just starting out with getting a business license, being able to pay taxes.

We didn't realize all that was involved in it, but we're happy to be here for ourselves and for your career considerations.

Probably the only thing I would add to the dwelling is there is parking for three views.

You know, with a maximum occupancy of four, three cars should be sufficient.

That's pretty consistent with some other dwellings in the area too, sparse number of occupants and whatnot.

We did speak to the Weirs at 331 and the Parsons at 381, excuse me, and both their tenants, all of them are supportive of it, right?

I mean, they're like, hey, we rent, so I can't use sort of their attitude on it, so.

And then I've been doing some homework, and I know you're interested in this disruptive

I love Mary, I moved to Maryland now, but I met him.

I kind of try to come back and hopefully relocate down here.

Speak up to my family.

My mom is sick right now.

I have lots of brothers and sisters.

Theoretical

It was $800-$300 this weekend, I think $17 in total this weekend.

So it's like a 90% optimal city in that area.

I think you said there was something like $900 in total.

Any other questions for them while they go?

We will now open up the public hearing for Special Use Permit 934 Vacation House.

Is there anyone here who wishes to speak on the Special Use Permit?

Okay, hearing none, we will close Special Use Permit number 934 Vacation House.

We have a motion and we have a second.

Seconded.

Seconded.

Mr. Reed, any further discussion?

Mr. Markey?

Yes.

Now we're getting to the meat of this agenda.

Okay, so we have two ordinances this evening.

One is the zoning ordinance, one is the subdivision ordinance.

The impetus of this was for a family division

It has to be granted from an individual to an individual, father to son, husband to wife.

You can't do it from an entity such as an LLC or a trust.

The state code allows localities to adopt an ordinance that prevents a family division to be gifted to the beneficiary of a trust.

That was the impetus for this.

That's pretty much just aligning our code with state code, and we'll revisit that one in just a minute, but up first it's zoning ordinance, which was an afterthought of the planning commission, where they are proposing to increase the minimum lot size for family divisions from one acre to two acres in both A1 and R1 zoning districts.

Currently, a regular subdivision

The minimum lot size is two acres for both A-1 and M-1.

This proposed zoning ordinance would increase the minimum lot size for family divisions from one acre to two acres.

The Planning Commission in March voted three to two to recommend approval with some

Any questions?

Let's see if you guys want to go to the public hearing and start asking questions.

Let's do that.

You done?

We will now open up the public hearing for ordinance 0-2023-03, right?

Amendments to Appendix A Zoning Article IV, Agriculture A1 and Article V, Residential District R1.

I have not kept up with the new CVS.

There is a correction on G and H. It's O2023-03, not O2.

and then the following one is Ordinance 0-2023-04.

Okay, so we just have that minor correction on the agenda.

Is there anybody here who wishes to speak in reference to 0-2023-03?

Rock, paper, scissors guys.

I'm Mark Franklin.

I'm at 723 Shakers Hollow Lane in Roseland, Virginia.

The only thing I'll say by increasing the lot size of the family division in a county where you have housing affordability issues, you further hinder people's ability to have housing opportunities and put further hurdles in the path to their housing opportunities.

That's it.

Thank you, Chairman.

My name is Russ Nixon.

I'm with Nixon Land Survey.

I'm also the President of the Virginia Association of Surveyors Southern Chapter.

I've never reached out to many of us in my association and in our industry across the state and across the county.

One of the things I'm also on the board is under the Pills for Campbell County.

I'm not a Pills County resident, but I feel pretty strongly about protecting the family unity.

Back when the family subdivision regulations were established by the state of Virginia, the main goal was to protect the family unity and allow family members to be able to subdivide a land off, make it a more streamlined process,

I also make it more affordable for those folks who own and retain the property that their parents, aunts, uncles, cousins may have bought and purchased for the purpose of sharing with their family.

One of the questions that come up is we want to increase that lot size to two acres.

Currently, Nelson County's ordinance, as Dylan said, is two acres number one size in agricultural, two acres number one size in all one.

That's it.

Huge contrast from other counties and localities on area size.

I understand the two acre lot size minimum in agricultural.

What I don't understand is a two acre minimum lot size of residential home.

Most of the time, regardless of circumstances around the parcel, the residential lot is typically smaller.

I know in your ordinance today, you're allowed 30,000 square feet if you have existing sanitary sewer.

Now, Sanitary, Seward, Nelson County is obviously not very prevalent everywhere, so that does cause some issues.

I would like to see this board address a way to reduce the minimum watts, a maximum watt size or minimum watt size in R1 down to a smaller watt, and allow for the health department and drain field designs to dictate the size of that parcel.

And I'll give you some examples.

In Cammie County, our minimum watt size at R1

You've got nothing better.

Usually in a horrible situation, you'll have your water pursued.

In Campbell County, if we don't have water pursued, our minimum lot size is one acre.

In residential and agricultural right now, they have a two and a half acre lot minimum size.

Some of the issues we're having with family divisions in Campbell County is that someone may own a three acre lot,

and a family member wants to dig them a piece of land, they're allowed to do a half an acre minimum lot size to that family member, retaining two and a half acre lot size for a resident.

I would urge this county to protect the citizens of this village up here, to re-evaluate that thought of saying minimum lot size to a bunch of members will be two acres.

I think it hurts the continuity between the family members.

Let me give you an example.

This week happened to me.

The charters live on an eight hour road and the mother has a will that's written that she wants to give one sister 20 of them a one acre lot and the other sister a better of one acre lot.

Well, Miss Turner only owns two acres.

She can't do a family division because at that point once you cut a one acre lot off, what's left of the home is theirs only one acre.

So I had contact on the way here tonight telling them that I could not do the survey for them.

I could not produce a family division plan.

And they didn't understand.

And that's one of the things I fight and you all as core fighters.

The laypersons don't understand why they can't do what they want to do with the property.

But I want to urge you all to turn down the two acre minimum white size for family divisions.

I think it will hurt folks in the long run.

I think with the housing market the way it is right now, it's so volatile.

I believe that this type of change could hurt folks in the long run.

When I talk about two years now, I'm talking about 5, 8, 10, 20 years from now, I believe it could be a big impact and hurt the county.

Anyway, if you're having any questions, I've got a full statute from the state here, and some of it is about trust, which I only discussed, making trust.

As a matter of fact, in the state statute, it actually talks about, we have 30 seconds.

Under 15.2-2244-2, it talks about the locality requirement that sub-vitum lots worth and division be no more than one acre, and otherwise means any other express requirement contained in the code for that unit.

All right, anyone else wish to speak?

Okay, now we will close the O2020-23-03.

I'm just going to say we have a lot size requirements for

So, you know, as someone who's been in the construction business since I was about six years old selling them wides and single wides, I can't tell you how many times it was a family lot zoning that was able to get a working class family their own full hand, whatever it was, could gift that little piece of land to their relative and they actually got to celebrate homeownership.

This is a very common story, especially amongst our poor demographics.

More often than not, if you're in a fluid demographic, you're not subdividing one acre lots to your son.

You're sending probably 20 acres with you, because in that case it wouldn't apply.

I would mention to say that this context of one acre is meant for the low-income folks.

I just built a double wide on Ty River Road.

An old family parcel that passed down from grandma to kid to grandkid and it was meant for grandma.

Grandma had a house.

Well, kid also had a house.

Well, they worked up burgers then it gifted it down to the grandkid and grandkid got to live in the same room.

I do understand the anxiety with the two-acre

versus One Acre as it relates to subject systems and alternative methods that might exist, you know, more than likely some is not going to subdivide a one-acre lot if they don't have a reasonable permit.

I mean, more often than not, that's just not going to be the case.

I mean, if it's so small and the soils are so bad that it requires an engineered system, then they're probably going to either not parcel it out at all,

are you know they're going to try to expand that to whereas more vertical soils are for a lesser impact engineered system.

So you know I do agree with the sentiment of one acre lots.

I don't think it's going to be hampered

Thank you for the benefit, you know.

What you said, you made some common sense of it.

I saw it as a kid.

We lived in the city and my parents moved out to the country.

Our moving to the country became the suburbs.

And my parents, thinking that

They were protecting what they had and whatever, you know, packed rooms that increased the size of lots.

And I just went back to my 50th high school reunion six years ago, and there was nobody from my high school who lived in that town anymore because they couldn't afford it.

And I think we have to be sympathetic to that idea that I don't think it will impact the world nature of this county.

I think in some ways it might be more of an agenda in which to create places where people can live.

I'd like to speak to a few things that came up during the planning commission.

One of them was that the world is a little bit of a different place than it may have been

20, 30, 40 years ago, and the financial pressure on a family member who gets a subdivided property could turn into a flip, which can increase pressures in the area, not as it was intended, of course, but the outcome could be quite different than what's intended.

As we know, the housing situation that we now have in Nelson County is certainly not what it was intended to be.

It's something that's taken on a life of its own.

The other is the two acres would make it more uniform across the other, across all the zones.

And so that was something else that was brought up during the discussion.

Yeah, I mean, and I can understand the, you know, forming context.

I think one thing, more often than not, you know, in the event you have a perfect one-acre and you're able to do it, you know, it's great.

More often than not, you're going to have scenarios where it's like one and a half acres because they need that extra little bit to meet the threshold for our 100% reserve, which Nelson County requires.

If you got five acres and you want to get one of them, I'd still get one acre.

Tell me, what do you think?

You don't think?

And it's always been one.

Correct?

Right.

Any other subdivision will be two acres.

This one would be so

If you live on whatever road and you've got 20 acres that's been passed down and you've got four kids, and some of it's all buttoned up against a good roof, you could subdivide one or two acres out for those individuals by right.

And it has to go to that relative.

It can't go immediately to what Mr. Reed was referencing.

You can't just subdivide it.

Five years.

Yeah, currently a family division, minimum lot size one acre, with a five-year restricted covenant where they can't transfer an outstanding family.

Yeah.

And they have to

Any time lots are created or lot lines are changed, it goes through our office and I'll also add that

How many family subdivisions do you see?

That's good.

I will say they're not often one acre.

I don't see that very often.

It's got to be a good lot.

Thank you.

Well, just for the record, I will make a motion.

Okay.

And I'll make a motion that we approve ordinance uh oh 2020-302, Nelson County Board of Supervisors and then for the Colton-Nelson County in the state zoning.

All right, and that's, let's see, that's with the two acres, right?

He's making a motion for the two acres.

I'm making a motion that we approve.

All right, we have a motion, do we have a second?

Do we have a second?

Can we make a motion for the one acre?

Well, you don't have to, you can just keep it the same way.

Oh, we would make a motion to deny this and it would stay exactly the same.

Great, all right, yeah.

All right, we have a motion to deny.

Do we have a second?

Hearing none, so voting yay, yes is no.

vote yes.

It's a motion to deny.

Yes, good job.

He said yes.

Mr. Barton?

Yes.

Ms. Reed?