Board of Architectural Review Meeting   4/19/2022

April.

Thank you.

I'll go ahead and hand things over to Cheri Lewis, but please continue to ask me any questions if you need help navigating the meeting tonight.

I don't see any hands raised, but Mr. Watkins, tell me if you see otherwise.

And if you'd like to provide comment, you can use this time now to raise your hand.

If there is no need for discussion, then would I get a motion for approval, please?

I so move.

Is there a second?

Second.

Lewis?

Aye.

Mr. LeHindro?

Aye.

And Mr. Bailey.

Yes.

The motion passes unanimously.

I'll ask Mr. Warner or Mr. Watkins to take over.

So I'm going to, I don't know if Brandon is on, any of the folks from CHIVO who are on, I don't know if there's probably more, if you all in BAR have questions for them.

Yeah, I see Dan Wilson on and it says on behalf of T-Mobile and I don't know whether he's here for the applicant, Mr. Wilson.

If you if you care to provide any additional presentation, you're welcome to and I can share my screen for your application if you'd like.

Thank you.

I know we've got now a total of two attendees, and there are also panelists that could be interested in this application.

Lewis, I don't see their hands raised.

And questions from the BAR for the applicant.

This line would be going up the back of the building, correct?

Yes, facing Market Street.

Yeah, I'll let the applicant answer.

Or is there is that another detail?

Mr. Wilson or Mr. Bose, either of you.

Brian, can you speak to whether we can tuck that pipe in to the corner of the bricks or if we need additional clarification on that?

We could get additional clarification, but it would be virtually the same technique utilizing Unistrat, just tucked back into the corner as closely as possible.

So that's six inches from the corner.

Frankly, I don't see the need for a full one foot piece.

So what do other BAR members think about that?

And I was thinking of the same thing myself as I was walking along Main Street way back from work.

I think that was kind of almost a question from Mr. Lejandro.

And Brian, I don't remember exactly the details, but I believe we need to go on this side of the building due to where the actual gas main is and where we can get access to that.

That's correct.

Anybody seeing what I'm seeing?

Sorry.

you know big cherry picker or hanging something over the side I don't know what the accessibility is on that side but that was when I was looking at it and thinking of options I left that out just thinking it's there's nothing there now let's not add to it so just my two cents.

Whereas if you put it on the east side where there is nothing now, it would be obviously adding something that wasn't there before and perhaps more prominent.

Dan and Brennan.

Do you have thoughts on this?

OK.

Yeah, it corbels out.

Yeah, thank you.

Dan or Brannon or Brian.

Okay.

Any other questions or comments for the BL members on this?

And then I was just curious about how many anchors, you know, there were working their way up.

Right, Brian?

So it won't be visible at all from the ground.

And was there a question about how many struts or basically holders will be all the way down this building of 10 stories?

One says every eight feet, and the other one says every 10 feet.

I'm looking at the latest detail we have.

It says it's every 10 feet.

So is it going to be gray if it's not painted?

I assume.

Brian, it's grape mite, right?

I mean, to be honest, it'll be black and likely rust if it's not painted.

Did you say if it'll be rust if it is going to be painted?

is galvanized, which means they're steel and they will rust rather quickly if they're not painted.

I could be wrong, but I think I remember that.

Right.

So that, just to clarify, the color would be black, Brian?

In its natural state, it would be black and then, of course, ultimately rust.

But you're proposing to paint it to match adjacent surfaces according to this diagram?

And by adjacent surfaces, do you mean those downspouts?

Yes.

Mr. Watkins, do you see anyone?

Lewis, I don't see any raised hands.

How about that?

I agree.

If it's the color of the downspout and it goes up above that, that one on the corner, you're going to see it.

Just thinking this through.

But yeah, if you can find a red or brown tone that is a decent match, it's fine.

Did we specify brown because the brick was more brown or?

I have no problem with that.

Mr. Leandro, Mr. Roberts, or Edwards, sorry.

But I vaguely remember my first month with the BAR, we had a similar case where I think the applicant tried to paint using a color that was pretty close to brick as possible.

Are you good with the comments and questions so far?

from there, so.

Great.

Hey Dan, how close can you get it to the downspout?

Thank you.

Anybody want to take a stab at a motion to kind of capture

And like I said, I think there's something in the discussion that might help.

I'll take a stab at it if you'd like.

Please proceed, Mr. Bailey.

and other properties in the north downtown ADC district and that the BAR approves application with the idea that the pipe will be as close to the downspout on the south side as possible and that the color will be submitted to and approved by the city staff as appropriate.

Is there a second?

I second.

Thank you, with a motion by Mr. Bailey and a second by Mr. Timmerman, I will call a vote.

Can there be some discussion?

Go ahead, Mr. Lehendre.

I would ask for an amendment to replace as close as possible to right next to.

Do you accept that, Mr. Bailey, as a friendly amendment?

Thank you.

Mr. Watkins, if you can call the roll.

Lewis?

Aye.

Mr. LeHindro?

Aye.

Mr. Edwards.

Aye.

The vote passes unanimously.

Congratulations, gentlemen.

I just wanted to thank the board for your time.

Thank you.

And I think Mr. Warner has that.

And we're also joined by Cliff Fox and Orham Dykman, who are representing this project.

OK.

Robert, what did you refer to that as?

Just the transom, the prism glass transom that's referred to in the survey.

So with that, any questions for me?

I don't know if Cliff's here.

I'm happy to go back through either representatives of this project and share my screen if you provide to wish an additional presentation.

So Jeff and Robert, you all agree that the elements that are being proposed to be replaced with the storefront, they're original, they're historic.

We know that because the glass got smashed, I believe.

Thank you.

Applicant, Mr. Fox, Mr. Dickman.

I think you're muted.

Yeah, go ahead Orm.

Orm, you're muted, but I just asked and you know, yeah, you're good now.

All right.

Hi, everyone.

and that's why we wanted to change, like we wanted to make a folding glass.

And you also have our proposal plan.

Did you have any comments on behalf of the applicant?

Anyway, that's all.

They're not related to this.

May I add a couple of things also?

Absolutely.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Thank you very much for letting me talk.

Are there questions from the BAR for the applicant?

Could you describe that a little bit more?

and we had to replace that window but while they were moving some pieces inside that bracket got bigger that's why for temporary we replaced with this plastic piece there just to keep that you know air inside that's how everything started

So the window would have to be replaced in any case, whatever the window is.

So it was similar to that crack.

Is that correct?

No.

OK, thank you.

Is there a drawing of what the window frame would look like in the actual building?

Yes.

But there's not a photo sim or anything like that, no.

We still just one attendee here.

Doesn't look like they're offering any comments.

And if not, I'll move on to comments from VR members.

Just an idea, but those are my comments.

The members.

So those are my comments.

Other members of the BAR with comments on this application?

So it's something that I really cannot support.

If you have any comments.

look perhaps we're very close to what it was before and still provide fresh air and maybe that would be a way to go in that direction to achieve both the goals that Mr. Dickman would like to do and also maintain some of the character that other members of the board are worried about.

No.

Thank you.

Oh, actually.

This is your show.

Okay.

And so I'm sorry if I'm being presumptuous about where the board's heading, but I just wanted to add that if it was helpful.

Mr. Warner's giving you some options.

Hey.

No.

Or arms the applicant.

And if you have any,

Anyway, they're going to do what they're going to do, but you're going to have to change your window to get it approved here.

If the 709 will do the same kind of like folding glass window, the project would be accepted?

And is there a motion among BAR members to accept the deferral by the applicant?

Yes.

And second?

Second.

And Mr. Watkins?

Lewis?

Aye.

Mr. Edwards?

Aye.

Mr. Zehmer?

Aye.

Mr. LeHendro?

Aye.

And Mr. Bailey?

Yes.

Thank you, the motion passes unanimously.

But yeah, definitely would like to work with you guys.

You know where to find Mr. Jeff, right?

Yeah, okay.

We'll hope to see you next month.

See you next time.

But we may all be actually in the same room in a couple of weeks.

Okay, great.

All right, next up.

And with that, Mr. Warner?

Okay, my legal lecture is finished.

So just go ahead with your staff report.

So I just want to make sure I don't forget to mention that.

I'm kind of prepared to read that in comments from the public once we get there.

And I know Robert's here and ready to speak.

Robert, the floor is yours.

OK.

Are you able to hear me now?

Yes.

And Robert, I have that queued up, that sheet, I could email it to you if that's appropriate to introduce another image at this point.

Sure, feel free to do that.

That's all that I have to add at this point.

Are there any questions from the public for the applicant?

Lewis, but I feel like our discussions tonight are quite interesting.

And then I'll turn to questions from the BAR for the applicant, Mr. Nichols.

Do you know if the corner post is still within the existing infilled porch?

You can see the kind of quality of the exterior windows that was put there that's kind of consistent with that newer construction throughout.

Thank you.

Any other questions for the applicant?

You're muted, Cheri.

So

That will resolve itself.

And maybe I should have submitted that, but I didn't thinking about what was needed for this particular review.

I can't be sure, but it looks like from the existing photos that the foundation is actually of stucco, or maybe it's brick with stucco applied over it.

That's correct, the latter.

Any other questions for the applicant from the BAR at this point?

But if not, then we'll just leave with a specific decision.

And or as I normally do, I would bounce it off with all of you, but the ordinance does allow me to grant the approval after you've reviewed a project and that you're generally in support of.

Thank you.

Any further comments from the BAR about this application?

Is it possible for Robert to show us both of the designs side by side?

Yes, one minute.

Are you able to see both now, or just one?

Just the one with the symmetrical three.

Yeah.

Oh, I can, yeah, I think I could move, I can see them.

Sorry, I'll try to zoom out.

That's great.

Okay.

Thank you.

Having considered the standards set forth within the city code, including city design guidelines for historic conservation districts, I move to find that the proposed alterations and addition at 313 Steep Hill Street satisfy the BAR's criteria and are compatible with this property and other properties in the Woolam Mills Village Historic Conservation District, and that the BAR approves either of the two designs put forward by the applicant tonight.

Is there a second?

Second.

Any further discussion?

Mr. Bailey?

Yes.

Mr. Lehendro?

Aye.

Mr. Zehmer?

Aye.

Mr. Timmerman?

Aye.

And Mr. Edwards.

Aye.

The motion passes unanimously.

What's the feeling in the room?

Let's continue.

I'm seeing nods on the break or continue, which there's other nods about.

Let's plow through this.

8.15.

Thank you.

And if that's all I have to say, Mr. Warner could give a staff report.

So I'd like to just hand it off to John and take it from there.

John, if you wish to provide a presentation, I can go back and share my screen to your new renderings that you provided.

I've turned on the video.

Yes, we can see you.

And here's Andres.

I think that's one that's easy to shade with some shades and screen.

And I'm going to turn that back over to Andres.

So thank you for that.

Are there any questions from the public?

Lewis, I'm not seeing a raised hand.

Mr. Leandro, you have anything for us yet?

Why'd you pick on me?

I'm sorry.

I'll save my comments.

And if not, I'll move on to comments from the public.

Catlin, if you wish to provide comment, please raise your hand using the raise hand feature and I'll call on you.

Pick someone like Mr. Timmerman to ask for comments.

And I will step back and love to hear what everybody else has to say.

Further comments from the board, Mr. Bailey?

I think it's pretty clean and nice, and I wouldn't change it very much.

Thank you.

and I'll just note my earbuds are dying so I might have to switch to chat in a little bit.

Mr. Edwards, you're the only person I haven't heard from and I'm just checking in to see if you have any comments for us.

I would be ready to vote on this tonight.

Would any of you like to

And that's why.

Any other further comments or refinements, and if not, if there's a motion?

But I might recommend that you can adapt the suggested motion for approval from the Steep Hill project and just change the wording to correspond to this project.

Right, and not mention the Historic Conservation District, but the ADC.

Yeah.

I'm sure they can say IPP in lieu of a reference to an ADC district.

What is the address?

A nice no one.

And the BAR approves the application as submitted.

And if I could request a clarification to refer to, I don't know, is there a date on the drawings?

Something that the April 19th word, they're submitted in the drawings of April 19th, 2022.

Thank you.

Second.

Mr. Watkins, you want to call the roll?

Lewis?

Aye.

Mr. Zehmer.

Aye.

Mr. Edwards.

Aye.

The motion passes unanimously.

Congrats to the applicant and his representative.

Thank you all very much.

Thank you.

Mr. Warner?

So quickly, Robert, can you pull up that fence question

Just so we don't keep them too long if that's all right with you, Jeff.

You're such a nice Virginia gentleman.

Robert, I have your new submission, I think, queued up if you're prepared.

That's it.

Mr. Nichols, were you looking for comments from the board?

Yes, if you're willing, I'd be grateful.

Members?

How is that going to be represented and seen?

Is that,

Is there light coming behind it?

But at the actual definition of the roadway, that's just a parting between the two black panels and the little bit of relief there.

I've never seen it.

I think I need to maybe take some multiple sections so that those views can be much bigger as if you're on a helium balloon and able to elevate 10 feet, 14 feet, because there is a lot of, there's a lot to see and it's actually been digitally modeled in quite amount of detail and accuracy.

Would you be able to provide digital versions that are close-ups of that facade so that we could see how those things might actually look?

The whole thing will be represented in another view, and we'll just get a very close up view.

I'd like to see a mock-up of some.

I think next time we'll have a piece of metal that's maybe a three by three grid of the wings, irregular edge, and then we'll be able to put the proposed backing material behind it.

Touch it, wash our hands, and then pass it on.

Thank you, Mr. Nichols.

I appreciate it.

Yeah.

And so it would be-

I think you're all good.

And the second question is to invite you if you have any questions that we can figure out how to maybe move forward with a letter or recommendation or if that's something that maybe someone would like to draft something up for the board to discuss in May or something tonight.

I think I'll figure that out.

You need to designate it to somebody that's not here.

I looked it up as a class four felony in Virginia.

And then

Jody, do you want to?

Yes, of course we should.

Oh, by the way, Jody, I did just get an email earlier about the church on West Main, the, I don't know if you saw it, the national, it passed the 106 review for the grant.

Good.

I was kind of surprised that that still was being viewed, but that should have been done a year and a half ago.

Sounds like something I would have messed up on.

And all in favor, maybe raise your hand.

I'm recording that as unanimous.

Let us know what we can do, Jeff, but we'll definitely reach out to our groups we're in or whatever.

So, yeah, and that's where, yeah.

you know that's where I found a lot of this stuff you find the the police report of a body you know somebody got in a fight and killed someone threw him down a well so you know there's things out there that that um that help support what we're we're we're recommending to the city and county so with that I have um I don't have anything left thank you well again I will let you all know about the main meeting we will see

So congratulations.

Jeff is buying us a bottle of scotch.

Thank you, James.

I was going to say, by Price's right rules, you win.

Is there a motion to adjourn?

I move.

Thank you all very much.

Thanks.